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Krisan Marotta: Thank you for
joining me today for the
Wednesday in the Word podcast.
I'm Krisan Marotta, and this is
the podcast where we explain
not only what scripture means
but how we know.
This is our seventh talk in the
series on the book of 2 Peter.
The lecture notes for today's
talk are on the link below the
podcast, or just go to the
website wednesdayintheword.com
slash 2 Peter 7.
Glad to have you along.
Today we'll continue looking at
chapter 2 of 2 Peter.
We are only going to cover
verse 4 today because this is
the verse where Peter appears to
quote from the book of 1 Enoch.
And it's the second of three
major interpretive challenges in
this chapter of 2 Peter.
The first challenge, which is
the similarity between Peter and
Jude, we talked about in the
last podcast.
Today we're going to look at
the second one.
And I want to explain what the
book of 1 Enoch is and look at
why Peter might quote it.
And then we'll finish the
section in the next podcast and
look at how this verse fits into
the context and the point that
Peter is making.
But for today, we're just going
to look at the interpretive
challenges this verse raises.
So just a review, Peter is
writing to churches which are
troubled by false teachers.
These false teachers are
distorting the apostolic gospel
and deceiving believers into
leading immoral lives.
And in chapter one, Peter
insisted that the apostolic
gospel is a revelation from God,
not something the apostles made
up, and that believing the
gospel results in a lifestyle
which is marked by a pursuit of
godliness.
In chapter two, he turns his
attention directly to the
problem of false teachers,
although I think he had the
false teachers in view from the
start of the letter.
He started this chapter by
saying just as there were false
prophets before the time of
Christ, there will be false
teachers after the time of
Christ.
And these false teachers claim
to be teaching the true gospel
when in fact they're rejecting
it and God will judge them for
it.
So he just said in chapter two
verse three, their condemnation
from long ago is not idle, and
their destruction is not asleep.
Basically he's saying just
because they appear to be
prospering now should not make
them or us think that all is
well with them and they are
okay.
The fact that they're
prospering now means nothing.
It may seem like their judgment
is idle, it may seem like their
destruction is asleep because
they don't seem to be paying an
immediate consequence for their
actions right now.
But trust me, Peter says,
judgment is coming.
He speaks of their condemnation
as being from long ago, and I
think that phrase sets up what
he's about to say in verses four
through ten.
Basically he's going to say,
From the beginning of creation,
God has dealt consistently with
us.
Those who repent will find
mercy and life, and those who
rebel against God will find
judgment and destruction.
And it is in that sense that
the foundations of their coming
judgment were laid long ago.
God has treated mankind this
way since the beginning, but
they're forgetting the past and
they're ignoring the future.
Their future judgment is
predictable and they ought to
know it's coming because God has
always judged sin this way
since the beginning of creation.
Second Peter four through ten
A, the first part of that verse
is basically one sentence.
I'm gonna read the whole
sentence, but we are only gonna
cover the challenges of two four
today, and then in the next
podcast we're gonna look at that
sentence itself and talk about
what it means.
So starting in Second Peter
chapter two, verse four, we're
gonna go through the first half
of verse ten.
For if God did not spare angels
when they sinned, but cast them
into hell and committed them to
chains of gloomy darkness to be
kept until the judgment, if he
did not spare the ancient world,
but preserved Noah, a herald of
righteousness with seven others
when he brought a flood upon
the world of the ungodly, if by
turning the cities of Sodom and
Gomorrah to ashes he condemned
them to extinction, making them
an example of what is going to
happen to the ungodly, and if he
rescued righteous lot, greatly
distressed by the sensual
conduct of the world, for as
that righteous man lived among
them day after day he was
tormenting his righteous soul
over their lawless deeds that he
saw and heard, then the Lord
knows how to rescue the godly
from trials and to keep the
unrighteous under punishment
until the day of judgment, and
especially those who indulge in
the lust of defiling passion and
despise authority.
Well verse ten continues, but
the sentence ends there, the
rest of the verse is a new
sentence and we'll look at that
later.
The main point of this section
is fairly easy to see.
It's a big if then clause, and
Peter explicitly states his
conclusion the then in verse
nine.
So the if clauses are two four
for if God did not spare the
angels when they sinned, two
five if he did not spare the
ancient world, two six if he
didn't spare Sodom and Gomorrah,
two seven if he rescued
righteous lot, then in two nine,
then the Lord knows how to
rescue the godly from trials and
to keep the unrighteous under
punishment until the day of
judgment.
In this section, Peter is
giving a series of historical
examples of when God responded
with judgment and when God
responded with mercy.
The overall point is that the
Lord will rescue the godly, as
evidenced by Lot and Noah, and
he will judge evildoers as
represented by the fallen
angels, Noah's contemporaries,
and Sodom and Gomorrah.
He said in two three that the
condemnation of the false
teachers is not idle and their
destruction is not asleep, and
then in four through ten he
gives historical examples as
proof.
So as I said, we're only going
to look at the interpretive
challenges of two four in this
podcast, and then next week
we'll talk about the larger
point he's making.
So let's look at two four
again.
For if God did not spare angels
when they sinned, but cast them
into hell and committed them to
chains of gloomy darkness to be
kept until judgment.
Then of course that sentence
goes on.
Jude has a parallel.
This is Jude one six, and the
angels who did not stay within
their own position of authority,
but left their proper dwelling,
he has kept in eternal change
under gloomy darkness until the
judgment of the great day.
So immediately we ask, what
example is this?
This doesn't appear to be a
story from the Old Testament.
What are Peter and Jude talking
about and how do they know
where are they getting this
story of God judging fallen
angels?
Well, it so happens there is a
very strong contender for where
they are getting the story.
Most of the scholars you read
on this section will point to
the same place, and it does seem
to be the most likely source
given the information we have.
To figure it out, we have to go
back and look at Genesis six,
and this is a passage with its
own interpretive difficulties,
which we're not going to go
into, but let me read you
Genesis six verses one through
four.
When men began to multiply on
the face of the land and
daughters were born to them, the
sons of God saw that the
daughters of men were
attractive, and they took as
their wives any they chose.
Then the Lord said, My spirit
shall not abide in man forever,
for he is flesh, his days shall
be one hundred and twenty years.
The Nephilim were on the earth
in those days, and also
afterward when the sons of God
came into the daughters of men
and they bore children to them.
These were the mighty men who
were of old, the men of renown.
Okay, the obvious question here
then is who are the sons of
God, who are the daughters of
men, and who are the Nephilim?
That is a debate in and of
itself.
Since we're studying Second
Peter and not Genesis, I'm not
going to get into that debate.
But if you're interested in
that debate, I will put a link
in today's lecture notes to an
article that summarizes and
critiques the four main
understandings of Genesis six.
And again, those lecture notes
are at wednesdayintheword.com
slash two Peter seven.
For our purposes, what you need
to know is that there is a
strong tradition in later Jewish
writings about the meaning of
Genesis six.
And by later writings I mean
documents that were written
after the close of the Old
Testament and before the time of
Christ.
So what we call the
intertestamental period after
the last prophet wrote and
before Jesus came.
There are a number of
documents, including first
Enoch, that tell a story about
what Genesis six means, and they
created this popular
understanding, and in that
understanding the sons of God
are fallen angels who come to
earth and have children with
human women, these are the
daughters of men, and the
resulting children were this
mighty mutant race called the
Nephilim.
And in these stories God
responds by judging the fallen
angels.
Now Nephilim is just a
transliteration of the Hebrew
word, and that word is related
to the word for fall, but no one
really knows what it means,
which is why it's just
transliterated.
Now, I do not think this is
what Genesis six teaches.
I don't believe the Enoch story
is an accurate understanding of
Genesis.
I don't think it was ever meant
to be an accurate
understanding, but I'm going to
explain that in a minute.
For the question currently on
the table, we need to know that
historically there was this
popular understanding that saw
Genesis six as referring to
fallen angels coming to earth,
sleeping with human women, and
then being judged by God for
their actions.
This was a common story in the
intertestamental period, and
there are several versions of
it.
The most detailed of these
stories is found in a book we
call First Enoch.
First Enoch is not a book of
the Old Testament, nor is it in
the Apocrypha.
It is not included in the
Protestant Bible and it's not in
the Catholic Bible, for good
reason.
It is part of what we call the
Pseudopigrapha, which are books
that attempt to imitate
Scripture but were written under
false names.
Pseudopigrapha means writings
falsely attributed.
They claim to have been written
by Adam, Moses, other famous
characters from the Old
Testament, but they were written
in this period between the
close of the Old Testament and
the coming of Christ.
So most of them were written
between 200 BC to three hundred
AD.
The author would claim to be a
famous biblical character, but
everyone knew he was not that
character.
This was a fiction genre that
imitated scripture.
In our case, the author claims
to be the Enoch of the Old
Testament, who's identified as
the son of Jared, the father of
Methuselah.
You can read about him in
Genesis chapter 5, verses 21 and
22.
But even when he wrote, even
when this was a brand new
document, I think everyone knew
the author was not really the
Enoch of the Old Testament.
So it'd be like today someone
writing a book about the
founding of America and they
claimed that they were George
Washington.
And if that book came out
today, hundreds of years after
his death, we would all know
that it was fiction and we could
enjoy it as such.
That's what was going on in
this intertestamental period.
It was a popular genre that
developed.
And first Enoch is one of those
books, and it tells the story
based on Genesis six in some
detail.
So that's the kind of
literature first Enoch appears
to be, and that leads us to the
next question.
Are we sure that Peter and Jude
are quoting it?
Well Jude quotes the book of
first Enoch by name in verse
fourteen.
This is Jude fourteen and
fifteen.
It was also said about these
that Enoch the seventh from Adam
prophesies, saying, Behold the
Lord comes with ten thousand of
his holy ones to execute
judgment on all and to convict
all the ungodly of all their
deeds of ungodliness that they
have committed in such an
ungodly way, and of all the
harsh things that ungodly
sinners have spoken against him.
So this is a quote from first
Enoch nine, chapter one, verse
nine, which reads, And behold he
cometh with ten thousand of his
holy ones to execute judgment
upon all and to destroy all the
ungodly, and to convict all
flesh of all the works of their
ungodliness which they have
ungodly committed, and of all
the hard things which ungodly
sinners have spoken against him.
And by the way, you can find
the text of first Enoch online.
I'll put a link to it in the
lecture notes if you'd like to
read the book for yourself.
But since Jude names the book
and quotes one of its verses
basically word for word, we know
that Jude was familiar with the
story and he is knowingly
quoting it.
So what about Peter?
Well, the details that both
Peter and Jude give fit exactly
with the story of Enoch.
Again, this is first Peter two
four, for if God did not spare
angels when they sinned, but
cast them into hell and
committed them to chains of
gloomy darkness to be kept until
a judgment.
And Jude says in one six, and
the angels who did not stay
within their own position of
authority, but left their proper
dwelling, he has kept in
eternal chains under gloomy
darkness until the judgment of
the great day.
So if you read through first
Enoch, you'll see it's about
angels who sin.
First Enoch says these angels
abandoned their proper abode and
come to earth, which is what
Jude says.
First Enoch says God binds them
and casts them into a place of
darkness, as both Peter and Jude
say.
Peter refers to the place they
are cast as Tartarus, which is
the same Greek word used in 1
Enoch.
Enoch says they are in a dark
place waiting for their final
judgment.
Again, something Peter and Jude
say.
And what we see as we go
through is that every detail
Peter and Jude give finds an
echo in the book of First Enoch.
So it seems pretty likely that
Peter and Jude are quoting it.
Okay, so why?
Why would Peter and Jude quote
this book?
Why would they quote from a
fictional work like this?
Well, as I argued in the
previous podcast, I think that
Peter wrote first and Jude
quotes Peter throughout his
letter, and thus we've answered
why Jude would quote Enoch.
Jude wrote after Peter, and
he's quoting from Peter's
letter.
Since Peter quotes it, Jude
quotes it too.
But why would Peter quote it?
Well, as you might expect,
scholars put this together in
all sorts of ways.
Some say that because Peter and
Jude quote Enoch, they must
believe that it is a true story,
but Peter and Jude were wrong.
I reject that option because I
don't think the apostles were
wrong in their understanding.
Without getting into a whole
theology of inspiration, let me
just remind you that Peter made
the claim at the end of chapter
one that like the Old Testament
prophets, the apostles were
given a true and accurate
understanding of the message
from God through the inspiration
of the Holy Spirit.
He argues, I think that their
understanding is divinely
inspired, and therefore I don't
think they were wrong.
So that's one option.
Another is that Peter and Jude
couldn't possibly quote from
first Enoch, and there must be
some other document out there
that we're not aware of.
And some scholars suggest that
passages such as Isaiah 14, 12
through 17, and Ezekiel 28, 11
through 9 might refer to the
fall of Satan and other
rebellious angels, and they
think Peter is alluding to that
incident.
To give you the flavor of this,
Isaiah 14, 12 through 17 occurs
in the context of Israel
taunting Babylon after they have
been freed from exile.
So back up in fourteen three
and four of Isaiah it says, When
the Lord has given you rest
from your pain and turmoil and
the hard service with which you
were made to serve, then you
will take up this taunt against
the king of Babylon, how the
oppressor has ceased, the
insolent fury ceased.
And in that context he says
down in twelve, this is twelve
through seventeen, how you have
fallen from heaven, O day star
son of dawn, how you are cut
down to the ground, you who laid
the nations low, you said in
your heart, I will ascend to
heaven, above the stars of God,
I will set my throne on high, I
will sit on the mount of
assembly in the far reaches of
the north, I will ascend above
the heights of the clouds, I
will make myself like the most
high, but you are brought down
to shoal to the far reaches of
the pit.
Those who see you will stare at
you and ponder over you.
Is this the man who made the
earth tremble, who shook
kingdoms, who made the world
like a desert and overthrew its
cities, who did not let his
prisoners go home?
So in that context we see
Isaiah telling Israel that after
the exile is over and they're
back in the land they will be
able to look back at the king of
Babylon and say, Where are you
now?
Look how you have fallen, look
how the mighty have fallen.
So given that context, it seems
unlikely to me that Isaiah
would start out assuring Israel
that one day they will be in a
position to taunt Babylon after
God rescues them and judges
Babylon, and then in the middle
of that conversation start
talking about the fall of Satan
before the dawn of creation.
It is a possible
interpretation, but it seems
like a stretch.
Likewise, Ezekiel 28, 11
through 19 is a lament over the
king of Tyree, and it seems to
be stretching that passage to
understand it as referring to
Satan and the fallen angels.
But I'll let you look at that
one for yourself.
A third option is that Peter
and Jude are quoting Enoch, and
Enoch is a true story.
These scholars would say, yes,
they quote it, and Enoch is an
accurate understanding of
Genesis six, though maybe not
divinely inspired.
Some modify that to say, well,
Enoch is not true, but it's
based on a true story.
It's a fictionalized account of
a true story that we are told
in Genesis six.
And even though Enoch itself is
not scripture, it at least is
telling a true story based on an
accurate understanding of
Genesis six.
Well, again, there is so much
in first Enoch that is clearly
fiction, it's hard to believe
that the author got Genesis six
right, especially when there are
other more straightforward
interpretations of Genesis six.
None of those options persuade
me, so I'm gonna give you a
fourth option, which is the way
that makes the most sense to me,
and that is that both Peter and
Jude are in fact quoting this
document of first Enoch, but
that does not mean that that
Peter and Jude believe Enoch
tells a true story.
Let me give you an analogy.
As a teacher, I might quote
Star Wars to you, but it does
not mean that I believe Star
Wars is a true story.
Rather, I'm counting on your
knowledge of popular culture to
make a point.
So I might use the force as an
analogy to explain a theological
point, but that would not mean
that I believe the force is a
real thing or that Star Wars is
a true story.
Teachers often refer to popular
culture precisely because it's
popular.
I might refer to Star Wars,
Harry Potter, or the latest
Marvel superhero movie precisely
because they are widely known,
and I am counting on the fact
that you are likely to be
familiar with them to make my
point.
But my quoting them does not
mean that I think they're true
stories.
And if I quote them in a talk
on a passage of scripture, it
certainly does not have to mean
that I am elevating them to the
level of scripture.
I would quote them because
they're popular, it's something
I can count on my audience
knowing and understanding the
point I'm trying to make.
Later in the chapter, Peter and
Jude refer to false teachers as
those who revile angelic
majesties, and we're going to
talk more about what that means
when we Get to that verse
because that verse is in the
third major challenge of this
chapter.
That's in 2 Peter 2 10 and Jude
1.8.
And again, we'll look at that
in detail when we get there.
But as I will argue, I think
that this reference implies that
the false teachers are also
aware of these stories about the
fallen angels who've sinned and
face judgment.
They too know the story about
that is told in 1 Enoch and they
reject it.
Peter is also going to tell us
that these false teachers are
not looking to the fulfillment
of the Old Testament prophecies.
So it gives us this picture
that the false teachers are
drawing a connection between
Enoch and the Old Testament and
saying something to the effect
that, okay, Enoch is clearly a
ridiculous story about angels.
And look, the Old Testament
speaks about angels too, so it
is equally ridiculous, and you
can just ignore all that stuff
in the Old Testament.
Now I'm going to explain more
why how I put those pieces
together when we get to verse
10.
And granted, I am speculating
based on clues in the text, but
the clues at least leave open
the possibility that the false
teachers are attempting to draw
some kind of equivalence between
Enoch and the Old Testament
with the intent of discrediting
the Old Testament.
So they might be claiming
something like Enoch is clearly
silly, and it's based on Genesis
six, so Genesis six is clearly
silly too.
Like Enoch, Genesis talks about
these fallen angels, and we all
know that's ridiculous.
No sophisticated modern person
believes in angels.
So you don't need to listen to
anything in those old Jewish
scriptures.
You listen to us teachers
instead.
Granted, this is speculation.
I'm putting clues together, but
it's like looking at a puzzle
where we don't have all the
pieces.
So we have to look at the
pieces we have and say, what
might the picture be?
And that's where the
speculation comes in.
I'm putting clues together, but
we don't have enough
information to say with
certainty that this is the
picture.
This is what the puzzle looks
like.
But in any case, by quoting
Enoch, I would argue that Peter
is not condoning it.
If the false teachers are using
Enoch to discredit the Old
Testament, then Peter could be
quoting it to counter their
argument.
And I want to suggest that
Peter is arguing something like
this.
You false teachers think the
lesson of First Enoch is that
the Old Testament is unreliable
because it talks about angels.
But that's not the lesson you
should learn from First Enoch.
The lesson you should learn is
that God judges sin.
That fictional story in Enoch
shows that even angels are
judged when they rebel against
God.
So Peter and Jude are not
asserting that Enoch is true by
quoting it, rather they are
quoting a piece of literature
everyone is familiar with, just
like teachers today might quote
Marvel superheroes, Star Wars,
or Harry Potter.
And I would argue that Peter
and Jude are quoting it to say
you're drawing the wrong lesson
from that story.
The moral you should take away
from that story is that judgment
is coming.
The lesson of Enoch is not that
angels are to be reviled and
rejected, and that any book that
also talks about angels is to
be rejected.
The lesson you should be
learning is that God judges
rebellion even among the angels.
So don't think that your
judgment is idle and your
destruction is asleep.
God's judgment is certain and
it is coming.
Even your popular fiction tells
you that.
We're going to talk more about
how I reached that conclusion
when we put the whole sentence
together and move on into the
next section.
But to summarize, I think that
Peter and Jude do quote from
this fictional book of 1 Enoch.
I think they believe that book
to be fiction, to be part of the
popular literature of their
day, and they quote it as
fiction.
And I think they quote it to
further the larger point of the
sentence that God judges
rebellion.
Might I be wrong on that
understanding of 2 Peter 2.4?
Absolutely.
It is a difficult passage to
figure out.
That is my best guess at the
time of this podcast, and I
reserve the right to change my
mind as more evidence and more
study might reveal differences.
Fortunately, his other examples
don't present quite so many
interpretive challenges.
They elaborate on this theme
that judgment is certain.
He recalls Israel's history to
remind us how God has acted in
the past and therefore how we
can predict he will act in the
future, and we're gonna look at
them in the next podcast.
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