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Krisan Marotta: Welcome back to
the Wednesday in the Word
podcast.
I'm Krisan Marotta, and this is
my podcast about what the Bible
means and how we know.
Today is the 12th and final
talk in my series on the fruit
of the Spirit.
Thanks so much for sticking
with me to the end.
In this series, we have been
searching for Paul's
understanding of the concepts of
the nouns on the list and the
fruit of the spirit from
Galatians 5.
We have been exploring various
passages in Scripture to learn
what the Bible says about these
concepts and therefore to try to
recover what Paul was thinking
when he wrote the list.
I have argued that the items on
this list are not feelings.
Rather, they are a lifestyle
that results from a profound
shift in worldview.
As the Spirit of God teaches us
truth, our perspective changes,
and that changes how we choose
to act, respond, and treat each
other.
I have also argued that these
qualities are not optional
additions or bonus extras that
help you become a nice person or
a better disciple of Jesus, nor
are they something that you
should pursue in order to grow
in spiritual maturity.
They are not the cause of
spiritual maturity, rather, they
result from spiritual maturity.
The Spirit teaches us truth,
that truth changes our
worldview, and that worldview
changes our lifestyle, producing
these kinds of results.
I've argued that worldview is
something that we think with,
not something we think about.
Your worldview is like putting
on a pair of contact lenses.
You may forget you have them
on, but they shape how you see
the world.
When we put on the contact
lenses of the gospel worldview,
we live differently and we
pursue different goals.
As we face the choices that
life throws at us, we reveal our
fundamental beliefs.
We won't be obedient
consistently and perfectly in
all situations, but the kind of
people we want to be and the
goals we chase will become
obvious because we will reveal
our willingness to follow and
love God through the choices we
make.
I've argued that the fruit of
the Spirit are the inevitable
result of that worldview change
of coming to faith.
When we come to believe the
gospel, these qualities follow.
They become the very things we
pursue and want out of life.
Let me give you an analogy to
try to explain this connection a
little better.
I wish I'd thought of this
analogy sooner.
I would have included it
earlier in the podcast series,
but it came in response to a
listener question.
Imagine that you were in the
latest Marvel superhero
action-adventure movie.
The evil aliens have planted a
bomb in New York City that is
about to explode and destroy the
entire planet.
The clock is ticking, and you
have to figure out which wire to
cut to diffuse the bomb.
All of a sudden, your sidekick
whips out a booklet from his
pocket and says, Let's read the
instruction manual.
Even though he can't read
Alien, like most instruction
manuals, it's all in pictures,
and there is a big color picture
with scissors cutting the red
wire.
Great, you have the
instructions, you have the right
knowledge, you know that the
red wire is the one to cut, and
as the clock ticks down to zero,
you cut it, saving the planet.
Some people view the gospel
like that instruction manual for
the bomb.
It gives us the knowledge we
need to follow to live a good
Christian life.
The instructions are things
like believe in Jesus, confess
your sins, join a church, pray,
be kind, and pursue the fruit of
the Spirit.
And we just have to follow the
instructions.
You can probably guess that I
do not think that is the best
analogy to explain this
connection between worldview and
salvation.
I don't think it works like
that at all.
Let me give you a better
analogy.
This time we are in a fantasy
movie.
In this movie, a prince falls
in love with a beautiful
princess, but alas, she is
enchanted.
Her fairy godmother tells him
to break the enchantment and win
her heart.
He must pass three trials.
First, he must bring back a
jewel guarded by a fierce
dragon.
Second, he must trek through
the desert and solve the riddle
of the Sphinx.
And third, he must climb the
highest mountain and convince
the prophet who lives there that
he the prince is the wisest man
of all.
In one sense, the prince has
all the knowledge that he needs.
He knows the three tasks he
must accomplish to win his love
and free her and live happily
ever after.
But if you stop and think about
it, he doesn't know how to
accomplish those three tasks.
The instructions by themselves
don't teach him how to solve
each problem.
For those instructions to do
him any good, he must be a
certain kind of person.
First of all, only a prince who
is truly and deeply committed
to the princess will attempt to
follow these instructions at
all.
If he cares more about himself
than her, he's not going to go
anywhere near any dragons.
Not only that, he has to be the
right kind of person to find
these instructions helpful.
It's not just a matter of cut
the red wire.
He has to be the kind of person
who has a certain level of
bravery, courage, wisdom, and
resourcefulness if he's going to
have any hope of succeeding.
How did the prince lure the
jewel away from the dragon?
Well, unlike everyone else who
charged in with their swords and
got burned to a crisp, the
prince showed kindness to the
dragon.
He offered to trade one of the
treasures of his kingdom.
The dragon was willing to
voluntarily give him the jewel
and trade.
How did he solve the riddle of
the Sphinx?
Well, thanks to his superior
homeschooling education, he was
smarter than everyone else who
tried it.
He didn't give up, he didn't
jump to quick conclusions.
Instead, he spent months doing
research until he finally found
the answer.
How did he prove himself to be
the wisest man of all?
Well, he had read Socrates and
he admitted he didn't know all
the answers.
The instructions on how to free
the princes were only useful
because the prince was the kind
of person who was dedicated,
kind, clever, and humble.
The instructions provided an
opportunity for the prince to
reveal his character.
They weren't instructions on
how to become a dedicated, kind,
clever, and humble person.
The instructions created a set
of circumstances in which the
prince could demonstrate he was
a dedicated, kind, clever, and
humble person.
In short, they were an
invitation to discover what kind
of person he was as he sought
to follow them.
I would argue that
understanding the gospel is
closer to the prince analogy
than to the red wire analogy.
The gospel is the kind of
message that will only do you
good if you are the kind of
person who is willing to believe
it.
The gospel is great news only
if God in His mercy and grace
has given you the eyes to see it
and the ears to hear it.
The gospel is a message about
who God is, about who we are,
about sin, mercy, and eternal
life.
To embrace it, we must be
people who are willing to
recognize the lies we tell
ourselves, turn away from those
lies, and embrace the truth.
In other words, we must be
people of faith.
By nature, all of us are rebels
and sinners who mock and scoff
and reject the gospel.
Left to ourselves, we are
trapped in our sins and we will
reject the gospel every time we
hear it.
But God in His mercy changes us
so that we become the kind of
people who repent of our sins,
long for the truth of the
gospel, and humbly trust in the
blood of Jesus.
Through the working of God's
Spirit, we respond to the gospel
and recognize that it's true.
We're still sinners, but now we
understand that we're sinners.
We recognize that we need the
grace, mercy, and forgiveness
made possible by the cross of
Christ.
I would argue the gospel
doesn't come along and say, cut
the red wire and you'll be fine.
Rather, God gives us his spirit
so that we embrace the truth of
the gospel.
As the spirit teaches us, the
instructions begin to make
sense.
Life throws us challenges,
temptations, trials, and
opportunities, and like the
prince in my fairy tale, they
give us the opportunity to
reveal the faith that God has
given us.
To wrap up this series, I'd
like to look at this topic from
a different perspective.
It seems to me that what
informs everything Paul has been
saying, what gives structure
and meaning to this list of the
fruit of the Spirit is this.
In Paul's view, to be a
spiritual person is to see the
truth, embrace the truth, and
live like it's true.
Now by truth, I mean those
fundamental truths that we call
the gospel, those truths that
involve the fundamental
questions about who we are as
people, who God is, and what is
valuable in this life.
In one sense, the work of the
Spirit can be described very
simply.
The Spirit of God opens our
eyes, frees our hearts from the
clutches of self-centeredness,
and gives us the ability to see
the bigger picture that we used
to reject.
That's a simple way of
describing what the spirit does,
but it's actually a very
multifaceted thing because when
our worldview changes, all kinds
of other things change as well.
The fruit of the spirit are one
way of describing some of those
changes.
What I'd like to do as a
summary is to review the truths
that we have been seeing behind
the fruit of the spirit.
These are the truths that we
have seen are foundational
principles of our new gospel
worldview that lead to these
fruits of the Spirit.
Truth number one, the God of
the Bible is the God we must
deal with.
Now I almost left this one out
because it seems so obvious, but
most of humanity ignores God.
It's not that the majority of
people are atheists, in fact,
most people are theists.
When you ask people and take
polls about whether you believe
in some kind of spiritual being,
most people agree.
They say some kind of superior
being exists, but we lie to
ourselves about who that God is.
Most of us reject the God who
is actually the creator and
author of the universe, whose
revelations about himself have
been collected into the Bible.
We prefer to ignore that God
and remake him in our image to
fit our current worldview.
But when we acknowledge that
the God who has revealed himself
through his prophets, apostles,
and his son Jesus Christ is the
one and only God, then
everything else in our worldview
changes.
This change starts our
willingness to see that God
exists.
He is the creator of
everything, he is good, he is
merciful, he has made promises,
and those promises make a
difference.
The fruit of the Spirit is a
list of qualities that arise
from the change of worldview
that happens when we start to
come to know the God of the
Bible.
As we embrace certain truths
about him, they leave a mark on
our characters.
Truth number two, God is the
center of the universe, and we
his creatures are equal before
him.
And we have talked about this
one a lot.
We acknowledge that God created
all of us, that we ourselves
are not the center of the
universe, that God is the center
of the universe, and once we
make that worldview shift, that
makes a huge difference.
All of us secretly believe that
this whole story is all about
us, we're the main characters,
and everyone else is the
supporting caste.
We all start from the premise
that my needs are more important
than everyone else's, and the
most important question in any
situation is how does this
benefit me?
But then the spirit teaches us
that's a lie.
We admit the reality that our
creator gave us each our place
in the universe.
He is the center of the
universe.
We are equal before him, we
have equal dignity and
importance, but I am no more
important than you, and you are
no more important than me.
And that shift from
self-centeredness to a humble
acceptance of our equality
changes a lot.
Truth number three, we're
sinners.
All of us are selfish to the
core.
Evil has taken hold of our
hearts.
We are guilty, we put ourselves
first, we trample others, we
act for our own benefit without
caring who we hurt in the
process, and we are guilty
before God.
One day we will face the
judgment of God, and he has
every right to condemn us.
He is not obligated to save us,
and there is nothing we can do
left to ourselves to earn or buy
his favor.
Why does God offer anyone
mercy?
Because he is loving and
gracious.
God reached out and offered
forgiveness out of his loving
kindness.
He's not being merciful because
we deserve it, he's being
merciful because he has chosen
to be merciful.
That truth changes our
perspective both about ourselves
and others.
Once we realize and understand
that we need the mercy of God,
we start to see our friends,
neighbors, and even our enemies
in the same light.
I begin to realize I have no
right to condemn you, to judge
you, for I am guilty too.
I have no right to expect
perfection from you because you
are a person who needs the mercy
of God just as much as I do.
Truth number four, God is
actively working for those who
trust him.
We know that in spite of our
sins, God has showed us mercy
and forgiveness, but further we
know he's working for our good.
In addition to overlooking
what's wrong with us, he is
actively fixing what is wrong
with us.
And that is an inspiring
picture.
The more we understand how
actively God works for our good,
the more it makes sense that we
can be generous, compassionate,
and forbearing to those around
us.
We can be forbearing to those
who sometimes forfeit our good
pleasure because we know
ultimately God is going to make
everything right.
God is in control of our life
and our destiny.
He is weaving everything that
happens into his plan to bring
us into his kingdom.
So we don't have to demand our
share.
We don't have to vindicate
ourselves.
God has it all under control.
Understanding that truth frees
us to apply the golden rule and
treat others as we would wish to
be treated.
Truth number five, knowing God
is working for us gives us a
great hope.
And that hope is central to the
fruit of the Spirit.
God has made promises, He's
conquering guilt, He's
conquering death, He's
conquering sin, futility, and
sorrow, and fixing all that is
corrupt and broken in this
world.
Now that's a very sober
sounding list.
Guilt, death, sin, futility,
those are not trivial issues,
and none of us can solve those
kinds of problems.
Yet God has promised that he
can and will solve them, and
that gives us this great hope.
We have this solid, eager
expectation that we are headed
someplace wonderful.
Everything we go through in
life has a point, everything has
a purpose, everything that
happens to us is under God's
control, and he weaves it into
his plan to bring us to this
place of eternal life and
happiness.
Our lives are not careening out
of control.
God has a plan.
Our lives have meaning and
purpose, and we are headed to
the ultimate happy ending.
The more we understand the hope
of the gospel, the more we
delight in the promises of God.
It doesn't make this life less
painful, but it makes it
hopeful.
God is promising exactly what
we need, and that gives us a
certain joyful confidence.
It gives us a kind of courage
and stability.
We hang on, we can stay
balanced in the midst of a
topsy-turvy world because we are
standing on the rock of truth.
Truth number six, we are
uniquely connected to other
believers.
Our hope connects us to other
believers in a way we are not
connected to the rest of
humanity.
The more we see that the
central question of this life is
learning to embrace the gospel,
the more we see that people who
share that gospel and are
embracing it are our people.
They are the people we have the
most in common with.
We share the same hope, the
same Lord, the same need for
grace and mercy, and we are on
this same journey together.
Despite all our differences, we
share the most important thing
in life in common.
Truth number seven, our hope
gives us a certain amount of
freedom.
Because we hope in God and we
trust that He is in control, we
can be patient with others.
We don't need to be threatened
or offended because we know God
is in control.
Because we know God will
fulfill His promises and make
everything right, we can react
to hurtful situations with a
measure of grace, forgiveness,
and forbearance.
The fact that we have this hope
teaches us to wait patiently
for God.
We can rest, we can trust, we
do not have to fight and grab
for the stuff of this world.
We know we will be okay because
God is on our side, He is
working everything together for
our good.
And if God is for us, who can
be against us?
So we can wait patiently and
trust Him.
And finally, truth number
eight, our hope inspires us to
love what is right and good.
The world tells us that God's
standard of goodness restricts
our freedom, that it's binding,
that we're missing out on the
best things in life.
But we understand that it is
God's standard of goodness that
fulfills us.
To follow His perspective on
things, to limit ourselves where
limitation is appropriate is a
good thing.
It is the way to freedom.
It is the way to real life.
God is not hindering us, he is
fixing and protecting us, he is
making things better.
I think those truths are the
logic behind the list of this
fruit of the spirit.
The fruit of the spirit are
those qualities that result from
a deepening understanding of
those truths of the gospel I
just listed.
The more these truths shape our
worldview, the more these
qualities of the fruit of the
spirit will become part of our
characters.
I think that's what Paul is
getting at.
Now that confronts us with the
question of the relationship
between God's work and our work,
between God's choices and our
choices.
If you've read Galatians, you
know that Paul describes this as
a fruit of the Spirit or a work
of God, yet at the same time,
he exhorts us to pursue the
things on the list.
Well, how do we put that
together?
How could it be a work of God
and yet we are being told to
pursue them?
Well, in my opinion, there is a
right way to reconcile that
problem and a wrong way to
reconcile it.
The wrong way is something like
this.
God has placed all the
resources of the Spirit at our
disposal when we put our faith
in Him.
Now it is up to us whether we
will make any progress.
In this view, the ball is in
our court, and you'll hear
language like just let go and
let God or appropriate the power
of the Spirit or know the
truth, reckon it true and yield
to it.
And once we figure out how to
yield to the Spirit, these
qualities will emerge.
If we fail to appropriate the
Spirit's power, then we won't
grow.
We'll still be saved, but we
won't have these fruit because
we haven't plugged into the
right power source.
When I was a new believer, I
heard it taught this way.
Some of us are pushing our cars
around, and some of us are
driving because we have
recognized the secret of turning
on the engine.
Those who are pushing are
sometimes called carnal
Christians, and those who are
driving, they're the real spirit
filled Christians.
In this scenario, if I find
myself struggling with sin, the
problem.
Is I haven't plugged into the
power of the Holy Spirit.
I am still pushing the car.
I need to jump in the driver's
seat, get hold of the power of
the Spirit, and then my
struggles will disappear.
Now that does explain how this
is both a work of God, but
something I am exhorted to do at
the same time.
Under this view, God has done
his part and now the rest is up
to me.
In my opinion, Scripture
teaches a very different view
than that.
I think Scripture teaches that
the Spirit of God works in every
child of God.
There are no carnal Christians
and no spirit-filled Christians.
There are no haves and
have-nots.
There are only believers in
whom the Spirit of God is
working, and non-believers in
whom the Spirit of God is not
working.
The Spirit works in all
believers and this fruit will
result.
The Spirit gives us faith, and
this fruit results from trusting
and believing the promises of
the gospel.
We know that the Spirit is at
work because we see our lives
changing.
Every day we are put in
situations where we have to
choose to follow God or follow
the way of the world.
And sometimes we choose right
and sometimes we choose wrong.
And when we choose wrong, we
regret it and we repent because
ultimately we want to follow
God.
These fruits are attractive to
us.
They don't seem old-fashioned
or burdensome or restrictive.
They are qualities we admire
and want to have.
They represent what we want in
life and what we're shooting
for.
When Paul exhorts us to pursue
these qualities, in essence, I
think he's calling us to
believe.
The choice to pursue them is
not a choice to find the power
source.
It's simply a choice to embrace
the truth of the gospel more
fully and to live like it's
true.
Remember the context of
Galatians.
In Galatians, Paul is not
talking to Christians who have
everything together.
He's not talking to people who
have faith and everything is
fine, but they just need to get
in there and tap into the power
source so they grow faster.
That's not the context.
In Galatians, he's talking to
people who have been listening
to a false gospel.
They are in danger of
abandoning the gospel itself.
They are turning away from the
idea that they need the mercy of
God that is found in Christ,
and instead, they are embracing
the idea that their obedience to
the law will earn God's favor.
Although they still have the
name of Jesus attached to it,
it's not really faith in Jesus
at all.
The gospel is this two-part
picture.
First, we have been forgiven so
that we might have life.
And that life is not just
continuing to breathe, it is
solving this problem of death,
sin, corruption, and futility.
The cross of Christ solves the
problem of our guilt.
Jesus makes it possible for God
to forgive us instead of
condemn us because he paid the
penalty for our sins.
But the second part of the
gospel is the fact that I
understand what Jesus has done
means I now live my life
differently.
When you become a disciple of
Jesus, you metaphorically
crucify your old worldview.
You metaphorically crucify all
the desires and the passions and
the selfishness of your flesh.
Part of repentance and coming
to faith is crying out to God, I
don't want to be this kind of
person anymore.
I agree with you that I'm
sinful.
I agree I'm worthy of
condemnation.
I know my choices are wrong and
I'm guilty.
I am not the person I want to
be.
Instead, I want to be holy and
worthy and good like you.
I recognize I can never fix the
problem by myself.
I recognize you, Father, don't
owe me anything.
I am asking for your mercy and
grace because of the blood of
Jesus Christ.
Paul is talking to people who
are in danger of abandoning that
gospel.
They are facing this choice.
They have been listening to the
Judaizers.
They have been listening to
legalists who tell them the
cross is not everything.
The cross is not that big a
deal.
Now you have to keep the law.
To the Judaizers, the cross is
not such a big deal because why
are they acceptable to God?
They're keeping the law.
Okay, yeah, fine.
Jesus had to die as a legal
necessity, but it wasn't enough.
The really important thing is
keeping the law.
So to the legalists, the cross
didn't solve the problem.
What solves the problem is God
has given the law and we need to
keep it.
So Paul is talking to people
who are facing this choice.
Do I believe the gospel that
Paul preached when he was here,
or do I believe the teaching of
the Judaizers?
Part of the fundamentals of the
gospel is I have not been and
cannot be the kind of person I
ought to be.
I cannot save myself from sin.
Keeping the law is not going to
solve my problem.
I need to be forgiven through
what Jesus has done on the
cross.
Understanding that truth opens
up an entirely new set of
beliefs.
I can't look down on you
anymore because I'm condemning
myself.
Humility, patience, faith, joy,
all these fruits start to
result from this new picture of
things.
Instead of being a person who
minimizes the cross, exalts
myself and judges other people,
now I exalt what Jesus did on
the cross.
I recognize my own need for it.
And instead of thinking myself
superior, I recognize I am in no
place to judge others.
And that worldview shift starts
bringing about the fruits of
the Spirit.
Paul is mostly concerned with
the way the Spirit changes our
worldview.
He's not giving us a checklist
to follow.
He's encouraging us to embrace
and believe the gospel and let
that belief change us.
The four core convictions of
saving faith start changing our
worldview.
Let me review those quickly.
Number one, I am a sinner who
is guilty before God.
Number two, God is not
obligated to save me.
Number three, I cannot save
myself.
And number four, I trust that
God will forgive me because of
the death and resurrection of
Jesus Christ.
Those four core convictions
underline all the truths we've
been talking about in this
series that change our worldview
and give us hope.
The problem of the Judaizers is
not unique.
All of us are tempted at times
to think that God is pleased
with us because of something
we've done.
The Judaizers believe that
faith in Christ was not enough.
Gentiles must also keep the
law.
And today there's very little
debate among Christians about
keeping the law, but the problem
still remains.
All of us are tempted at times
to think God approves of me
because I got baptized the right
way, or I take the Lord's
Supper in the right way, or I go
to the right church, or I study
the Bible the right way, or I
belong to the right
denomination, or I serve the
poor and do good works more than
most people.
That's the trap of a legalist,
and we can all fall into it.
And it all comes back to this
shift in worldview.
The legalist worldview of the
Judaizers says the reason I'm
okay is because I do things the
right way.
And we all face that
temptation.
The gospel tells us the reason
we're okay is because we found
forgiveness and mercy through
the cross.
If we finish the sentence, the
reason I'm okay is with anything
other than the cross of Christ,
then we are in danger of
sliding into legalism.
That's why Paul's letter to the
Galatians is so continually
important, because we all face
this temptation to legalism.
All of us are tempted to start
priding ourselves on how well we
practice our religion.
But the gospel says, apart from
Christ, I have no hope.
I need the mercy of God, Christ
secured the mercy of God for
me.
Now I have this great hope
because of the mercy of God and
the cross of Christ, not
anything I've done.
And when we recognize that, we
live our lives differently.
Let's run through the list of
the fruit of the Spirit one last
time and list the key concepts.
The fruit of the Spirit are not
feelings.
We are not instantly
transformed and given the items
on this list.
Rather, these qualities emerge
through the change in our
worldview as the Spirit teaches
us truth.
Love.
Love is acting for someone
else's benefit.
Once we understand our place
under God and next to our
neighbors, realizing we are
equal before Him, we become
willing to act for the benefit
of another.
And we recognize we share this
unique bond with other believers
who share our hope.
Joy.
Joy is the natural response we
have when we realize something
good is coming our way.
We rejoice even in our trials
because we understand the hope
of the gospel in a real and
practical way.
We know that God is in control
and He is working everything for
our benefit.
Peace.
Peace is both a personal lack
of anxiety because we understand
God is in control and a lack of
strife among believers because
we stand on the common ground of
the gospel.
Patience.
Patience is long suffering
endurance because we believe God
will fulfill his promises.
It is enduring with hope, joy,
and expectation.
Kindness.
Like love, kindness is an
action.
Kindness is treating someone
well regardless of whether they
deserve it or how they respond.
And kindness is grounded in
understanding God's kindness
toward us.
Goodness is the pursuit of that
which is right, holy, and good
as opposed to that which is
evil, corrupt, and against God.
Goodness sees the truth of who
I am as a creature, who God is
as my creator, and what it means
to follow Him.
It rejects the lie of
selfishness and
self-centeredness and embraces
the truth.
Faith or faithfulness.
Faith is believing the gospel
is true and living in light of
those truths.
It's not a one-time event.
It is an understanding that
deepens and grows and matures in
us as the Spirit teaches us
truth.
Gentleness.
Gentleness or meekness is that
quality of not putting yourself
forward or being presumptuous.
It is the humility of accepting
whatever God has given us and
not trying to grab for more.
And it all begins with
understanding we are sinners in
need of God's mercy.
Self-control.
Self-control is the recognition
that just because I want to do
something doesn't mean I should
do it.
It is choosing to follow what
God says is true and rejecting
the lies of the world.
Because these are fruits of the
Spirit, we can rejoice and be
grateful that the Spirit will
produce these fruits in us.
We don't need to manufacture
them.
We don't need to create
opportunities to demonstrate
them.
We will learn them as God takes
us through the journey He plans
for our lives.
You may look at your life and
think, you know, these things
don't describe me.
And you may be right.
But if you are a child of God,
you can rest assured that they
will describe you one day.
Not perfectly or consistently
in this life, but this is the
trajectory God is taking you on.
So what should you do in
response to this list?
You don't need to try harder.
You simply need to believe.
The exhortation to pursue the
fruits of the Spirit is
fundamentally an exhortation to
repent and believe the gospel.
If that's what you want, then I
have very good news for you.
Jesus tells us that everyone
who asks for faith receives it,
everyone who humbly knocks on
the door will be forgiven, and
those who seek the kingdom of
God before everything else will
find it.
In short, ask and you will
receive.
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