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Krisan Marotta: You're listening
to Wednesday in the Word, and
I'm glad you are.
I'm Krisan Marotta, and this is
my podcast about what the Bible
means and how we know.
We're gonna be looking at 1
Corinthians 11, verses 2 through
16 today.
This is the 29th talk in our
series on 1 Corinthians, and
it's the second in a series of
four talks on this particular
passage.
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Let's get started.
In the first podcast on this
passage, I went straight through
the text explaining how I think
the passage makes most sense.
And in these next few podcasts,
I want to go back and look at
some of the details and some of
the controversial issues that
this passage raises.
So in today's podcast, I want
to concentrate just on the
cultural background.
Just to summarize what I argued
in the last podcast, as best I
understand this passage, the
situation in Corinth was that
married women kept their heads
covered as a sign of respect for
their husbands.
And also in Corinth, when men
prayed or preached in a public
worship, they removed their head
coverings.
Before Christianity, Jewish
women did not participate in the
Jewish worship service.
They watched and observed from
a separate area.
But that changed in the
Christian church.
In the Christian church, women
and men participated in the same
service.
So now we have a conflict of
symbols.
What's a married woman to do
when she stands up to pray or to
speak?
If she removes her head
coverings, that is respectful to
God, but disrespectful to her
husband in that culture.
If she keeps her head covering
on, that is respectful to her
husband in that culture, but
disrespectful to God.
So we have this clash of
cultural symbols, a clash of
practices.
And I understand Paul to be
saying wives should keep their
head coverings on because that
is the symbol that speaks
loudest to their culture.
In Corinth, when a woman stood
up to pray and she took her
scarf or head covering off, the
people would not go, oh look,
there's a woman who's honoring
God.
Rather, they would say, Uh-oh,
there's a woman who's being
disrespectful to her husband,
and Paul says, Therefore, keep
your head coverings on.
So briefly that's what I argued
last week, and now I want to go
back and look at how we get to
that point, at least in terms of
the cultural background.
First Corinthians 11 is one of
the more difficult passages to
understand, and while I have
reached a level of certainty in
my thinking, I acknowledge that
there is a greater than average
chance that I am wrong because
this is a really difficult
passage.
People I greatly respect
disagree with me on this
passage, and they disagree with
each other.
And this is one of those
passages that we have to
approach with a great deal of
humility and openness that
whatever position we hold, it
might be the wrong one.
I've been studying the passages
that relate to women teachers
and women in authority in the
church for over 30 years, and
over that time I have refined my
understanding and I think I
have reached a fair degree of
confidence in my conclusions.
So I can say before God this is
my best shot given the
resources I have, the abilities,
the faults, and the blindnesses
that I have.
And I can equally say I may be
wrong.
So as I explain my conclusions,
keep in mind that almost
everything I say is debated.
There is someone out there who
will disagree with almost every
statement I'm going to make
today.
I'm going to try to avoid
starting every sentence with I
think because that would just
make listening redundant and
hard.
But no, I think is implied.
I do not mean to suggest in the
way I'm presenting this
material that I have the market
cornered on truth or
understanding because I don't.
These are my conclusions after
copious research and many hours
of study.
This is my best shot, and as I
said, I realize I could be
wrong.
Also keep in mind that whatever
this passage means, it is not
an issue of salvation.
It would be nice if we could
all get this passage right, but
remember, salvation is not on
the line.
There are some questions that
we must get right.
For example, who is Jesus and
what did he do for you?
Those are fundamental issues of
the gospel.
And if we get those fundamental
issues wrong, we could
potentially miss eternal life.
But if we get this passage
wrong, it's not going to have
that kind of eternal
consequence.
Now, yes, we want to get this
passage right, and we want to
get it right for the right
reasons, and then act on those
reasons.
But we also want to remember
everything Paul just taught us
in the weaker brother argument
that we looked at in chapters
eight through ten.
I may think you're the weaker
brother, and that your
understanding is weak and
incomplete, and you may think
I'm the weaker one with an
incomplete understanding.
And we need to remember we're
in this together, and we should
treat each other in a way that
is respectful, so I might limit
my freedoms at your church or
vice versa.
When we come to a difficult
passage like this, the
appropriate response is I want
to be someone who cares about
the truth.
I acknowledge that Paul is the
apostle he claims to be, and I
want to do my best to understand
what he's saying.
And in the end, we may have to
acknowledge that this is
difficult, there's some degree
of uncertainty, and we may just
disagree.
Okay, so here we go.
As I said in the first podcast
on this passage, I went straight
through it explaining how I
think it makes the most sense.
And if you just want the bottom
line, you can go back and
listen to that podcast.
Today we're going to look at
the cultural background and ask
the question is this passage
merely discussing cultural
practices that we can ignore, or
are there some timeless
universal truths in this passage
that we would do well to pay
attention to?
So I argued in the last podcast
that the practice in Corinth
was for married women to pray
with their heads covered and men
to pray with their heads
uncovered.
And I argued that that is a
cultural practice and not a
timeless or universal command.
So how do we know?
If you go to most churches in
America today, you'll see women
without head coverings, and
you'll probably hear women
praying without head coverings.
In America, most Christians
have concluded that this is a
cultural issue and not binding
on us today, or else we're just
ignoring it.
But this is not a universal
conclusion.
Christians are very split on
this question.
Some argue that the issue must
be binding because Paul appeals
to Genesis, he appeals to
creation, and he appeals to
nature.
And neither Genesis nor nature
nor creation have changed, so
how could this be culturally
bound?
They would argue this is not a
cultural issue because Paul
appeals to timeless truths to
support it, therefore these must
be timeless universal
transcultural principles.
I would answer that line of
thinking this way.
Just because Paul appeals to
Genesis and nature does not mean
that this issue lacks a
cultural component.
Let me try to explain that with
a thought experiment.
Suppose a group of married men
in our church develop the
practice of removing their
wedding rings whenever they're
in the company of single women.
And they're removing their
rings because they don't want
these young women to know that
they're married.
Now imagine Paul learns of
their practice and he writes
them a letter instructing them
to keep their wedding rings on.
In the course of his argument,
Paul appeals to Genesis and the
permanent commitment of
marriage, and say he also
appeals to the Ten Commandments,
which call us to avoid adultery
and lying and coveting, and he
might appeal to other scriptures
which call us to faithfulness,
chastity, and honesty.
All of those scriptures might
be part of his explanation for
why it's not appropriate for
married men to pretend that they
are not married when they're
around single women.
The principles he appeals to
are eternal, but if he wrote in
that letter you men keep your
wedding rings on, he's not
giving a universal command.
He's speaking to a culture
which wears wedding rings as a
symbol of marriage vows.
So now, suppose in a thousand
years there's a colony on Mars
and they have given up the
practice of wearing jewelry of
any kind.
They don't exchange wedding
rings because metal is too
valuable and too scarce to use
on trivial things like jewelry.
Is that Martian colony being
disobedient to Paul's command?
Should they read his letter
where he clearly says men keep
your wedding rings on and say,
hmm, well, we've never adopted
the practice of wearing wedding
rings, so maybe we better start.
I would say no, the Martian
colony is not being disobedient
because Paul is not primarily
concerned with the practice of
wearing wedding rings, he's
concerned with the messages
we're sending our culture and
that those messages are
consistent with what we believe
to be true.
So he wrote the letter to us
because he understood that in
our culture, wedding rings mean
something.
And in our culture, removing
your wedding ring means I'm
single and available, and that's
not a message that married men
should be communicating.
But in our Martian colony,
since wedding rings no longer
have that meaning and the norm
in that culture is for married
men not to wear rings at all,
there's no reason to start the
practice.
Now in my example, Paul is
settling a cultural question by
appealing to universal truths of
Scripture.
The universal truths do not
change, but the cultural message
or the symbol of the practice
could cease to be an issue.
And I think that's what's going
on with our passage here in 1
Corinthians.
I would argue our culture has
changed since Paul wrote this
letter to Corinth.
Head coverings, at least in
America, do not carry the same
message or meaning anymore, even
though the universal principles
Paul appealed to those remain.
The unchanging principles, once
we understand them, we could
apply those to different
situations and they might
dictate different behavior today
because the meaning of the
practice has changed.
Well that raises another
question.
Is Paul's letter even relevant
to my future Martian colony that
no longer wears jewelry,
including wedding rings?
Can they learn something from
Paul's letter or should they
just skip this part?
And I would say they absolutely
can learn something because the
principles Paul appeals to
remain, and they want to
understand those principles and
apply them to issues in their
own culture, which might be
anything in their future Martian
culture.
Maybe they have the practice of
married people getting matching
tattoos on the back of their
wrists, and they would apply
this by making it a practice not
to cover those tattoos.
They might apply those
principles to very different
situations, but they could learn
and apply the same principles.
That's why the argument that
this passage is strictly a
cultural issue and therefore can
it be ignored does not persuade
me, because Paul is appealing
to unchanging truths of
scripture and we can learn
something from his reasoning.
On the other hand, the argument
that this is a strictly
universal issue and that
everything he says is binding on
everyone at all times, I don't
think that's right either,
because there is a cultural
component involved.
The problem we run into almost
immediately is that we don't
really have a clear
understanding of the cultural
situation in Corinth at the time
Paul was writing.
We are missing some information
and some of the information we
have is contradictory.
Let me try to explain.
Paul is writing to the
Corinthians.
Corinth was a city in Greece,
so we might assume all we need
to understand is ancient Greek
culture and practice.
However, Corinth was heavily
populated by Romans.
The city had been destroyed and
then rebuilt and resettled by
Roman citizens, many of whom
were freed slaves, and the
Romans had very different
practices than the Greeks, and
their practices influenced much
of Corinthian culture because
there was such a large Roman
population in the city.
So maybe we need to understand
ancient Roman culture.
But wait, Paul is writing to a
church which started largely
with Jews and Gentile
godfearers.
Now the Godfearers were
Gentiles who had largely adopted
Jewish culture and practice,
but had not actually converted
to Judaism.
Most of the people he's writing
to in the church come out of
that either Jewish background or
a godfearing background, and
the Jews had different practices
from the Greeks and the Romans.
So we have a church which had
at least three cultures mixing
together, Greek, Roman, and
Jewish.
Which of those cultures
determined the practice of the
church in Corinth?
Well, different scholars and
different commentaries argue one
or the other.
Some say that Paul had the
Greek practices in mind, others
say no it was the Roman
practices, and others say no it
was the Jewish practices.
To complicate the matter
further, in his argument, Paul
says all the churches of God
have the same practice.
Okay, what does he mean there?
That implies that it's
irrelevant what the church in
Corinth was doing because Paul
says all the Christian churches
from east to west have the same
practice.
But when we look at the
evidence we have, we can see
that the culture of Rome was
quite different than, say,
Antioch.
And we have evidence that the
women of Tarsus not only kept
their heads covered, they wore
veils over their faces.
And yet we have evidence that
the Greek women didn't cover
much of anything.
Now Paul is suggesting not all
the Christian churches are
practicing the same thing, but
if we look across the ancient
Mediterranean world, we see all
these different kinds of
practices in the culture.
So from the evidence we have,
which admittedly is outside of
Scripture, we don't actually
know what the churches were
practicing.
We do know for a fact that
Roman men had the practice of
covering their heads when they
were praying or prophesying or
offering a sacrifice in their
temples.
They had this kind of cloak,
shawl thing that they could pull
up over their heads.
And we have statues and
pictures and descriptions of
Roman men in pagan temples
covering their heads when they
prayed or offered sacrifices.
What about the Greek men?
Did Greek men cover their heads
in the temples?
Well, the evidence suggests
that they probably didn't.
When we look at their statues
and pictures and descriptions
and so forth, Greek men kept
their heads uncovered.
And what about Jewish men?
Well, this is where it gets
really complicated.
We know from the Talmud that
ultimately Jewish men ended up
covering their heads in the
temple.
But exactly when did that
practice start?
Did they cover their heads at
the time of Paul or did they
start that practice later?
The Talmud was written after
Paul's time, and it describes
some traditions that reach way
back into Paul's time and some
that start after him.
But we don't know for sure
which or which.
So the Talmud suggests that
Jewish men covered their heads
in worship, but we don't know if
that practice started before
Paul wrote this letter or after.
And that's debated.
There are some books that say
yes, it started that early, and
others say no, it didn't.
And some argue that Jewish men
started covering their heads in
worship to distinguish
themselves and set themselves
apart from the Christian men who
prayed bareheaded.
When did that practice start?
Is that why?
We're not sure.
Additionally, when Roman men
met someone on the street, if
they wanted to show respect to
that person, they would uncover
their heads.
There's a passage where
Plutarch asks the question, why
do Roman men cover their heads
when they offer a sacrifice and
uncover their heads when they
meet a superior on the street?
That's contradictory.
If it's a sign of respect for a
man to take his hat off, then
shouldn't you take it off for
the god?
Or if it's a sign of respect to
put it on for your god,
shouldn't you put it on for your
superior?
So he complains that they
weren't consistent in their
practice.
So here then is our known
historical information.
Greek men kept their heads
uncovered.
Roman men covered their heads
in their temples but uncovered
them as a sign of respect for a
superior.
Jewish men began covering their
heads in the temple at some
point, but we don't know if that
practice started before or
after Paul's time, and we don't
know for sure whether it started
because it was the opposite of
what the Christian churches were
doing.
So Paul says in 11 four, every
man who has something on his
head while praying or
prophesying disgraces his head.
Given all that conflicting
cultural data, why would Paul
say that a man who prays with
his head uncovered disgraces the
one who is his head?
Well scholars have proposed
several options.
Option number one, this isn't
an issue of head coverings at
all.
This is an issue of how you
wear your hair and its long hair
and whether the man has the
appropriate hairstyle.
That one doesn't persuade me, I
think that is stretching the
linguistic evidence.
Option two, Paul's concern is
that the Christian practices be
very different and not reflect
the pagan practices.
And we know that the Romans
covered their heads, so Paul
wants the Christians to do the
opposite so they don't look like
idol worshippers.
That option also fails to
persuade me because the Greeks
were idol worshippers and they
kept their heads uncovered.
And the Jewish men may have
kept their heads uncovered as
well, but the priests in the
Jewish temple had prescribed
headgear.
Head coverings don't seem to
equal the message of idol
worshiper.
Okay, option three, Paul just
created this practice to set the
Christians apart from everyone
else, and he gave them this
distinctive practice so that
they would look different than
the pagans around them and said,
From now on, this is what we're
gonna do, we're gonna pray with
our heads uncovered.
The problem for me with that
issue is that if he created the
practice as a fiat or just
decided this is how we're gonna
do it, it's hard to imagine that
he would assign shame or
disgrace to it.
If it's just an arbitrary
decision that he made, you know,
you could do it either way, and
we've decided we're gonna do it
this way, then it's hard to
understand why he would say it's
shameful if you don't.
Option number four, the issue
is not cultural.
Paul really believes that it is
intrinsically wrong for men to
pray with their heads covered at
all times and in all places.
There's something in nature or
creation that makes it wrong for
men to pray with their heads
covered.
That one also fails to persuade
me, especially when the priest
in the Jewish Temple were
supposed to have headgear on.
Now I'm sorry if I
oversimplified, I realized those
are very brief summaries of
what can be very complicated and
detailed arguments.
But that leaves us with option
five, and this is the one I
choose, and that is that even
though the cultural evidence we
have is somewhat vague and
contradictory, Paul knew that in
that culture it was considered
disgraceful for men to wear
something on their heads while
praying.
So in Corinthian culture, it
would have been seen as wrong
wearing something on their heads
while praying would have been a
sign of disrespect.
So they had a practice in their
culture that is similar to our
practice today where we remove
our hats for the national
anthem.
This was just a cultural
reality that Paul is appealing
to.
He had evidence we don't have,
he lived there for 18 months, he
knew things we don't know, and
he knew that this was how the
culture understood this action.
That brings us to the question
of what was the cultural
situation for women?
And here we have the same sort
of difficulties.
What facts do we have to go on
here?
Paul says in eleven, five, and
six, but every woman who has her
head uncovered while praying or
prophesying disgraces her head,
for she is one and the same as
the woman whose head is shaved.
For if a woman does not cover
her head, let her also have her
hair cut off.
But if it is disgraceful for a
woman to have her hair cut off
or her head shaved, let her
cover her head.
Alright, what do we know about
the cultural practices for
particularly married women at
that time?
Well we know that in Tarsus,
which is Paul's hometown,
married Jewish women not only
covered their heads, they wore
veils.
But they seem to be an outlier.
It seems from the evidence that
we have that they are the
unusual case and that more
generally married Jewish women
covered their hair in public.
When it comes to Roman women
and Greek women, we have mixed
evidence.
If we look at the archaeology,
the literature, the pictures,
the descriptions we have, we
find some of them did cover
their heads and some of them
didn't.
We have examples both ways.
Now in the pagan religions,
women participated just like the
men.
What did they do?
Again, we have mixed evidence.
Some of them covered their
heads, some of them uncovered
their heads, and some of them
not only uncovered their heads,
they let down their hair.
So why would Paul say a woman
praying with her head uncovered
disgraces her head?
Again, scholars have proposed
several options.
Option number one, this is not
an issue of wearing a head
covering, so it's not an issue
of having a scarf or a veil or a
hat.
It's whether or not you have
long hair and whether you let
your hair down or not.
Women in that day typically
wore their hair long and they
pinned it up in some fashion,
and it was disreputable to wear
your hair down in public.
So Christian women here are
imitating, they would argue, the
pagan practice of letting their
hair down when they prayed or
prophesied, and Paul is
objecting to that.
I don't think this option fits
either the context or the
evidence that we have very well,
but it is an option.
Option number two, this is not
a cultural issue.
Paul believes it is
inappropriate from the nature of
things for a married woman to
be in public worship without a
head covering, or at least when
she's praying or prophesying.
That argument also fails to
persuade me.
It's just hard to see how this
could be a universal truth when
there's nothing like it in the
Old Testament in other
scriptures, and Paul has that
verse about judge for yourself,
what do you think is proper?
If it's a universal truth, it
doesn't matter what they judge
because it's just right or wrong
one way or the other.
Option three, and this is the
one that persuades me.
In spite of the conflicting
evidence, Paul knew that in that
culture, married women who
uncovered their heads sent the
message that they were
disrespecting their husbands.
He had evidence we lack.
He lived and worked in Corinth
a long time, he traveled
extensively around the ancient
Mediterranean world, and he knew
that this custom was understood
to be disrespectful at that
time.
If I had to guess, I would
guess that Paul was influenced
by the Jewish practices at the
time, and my guess is that
Jewish men uncovered their heads
in prayer, that married women
wore head coverings as a sign of
respect for their husbands, and
that Jewish men had not yet
begun the practice of covering
their heads.
I think at this point it was
still the other way around, and
I suspect this would have been
more or less standard Jewish
practice throughout the ancient
Mediterranean world.
But again, lots of people
disagree with me on that.
That's what makes the most
sense to me in the context and
with the language of this
passage as I understand it.
Okay, so let's put all this
together.
What was happening in Corinth
and what did Paul want them to
do?
This is the conclusion that I
gave you in the talk last week.
I think that in their culture,
in that day, men removed their
head coverings as a sign of
respect when they stood up to
pray or prophesy.
I think married women covered
their hair as a sign of respect
to their husbands when they were
in public, including in the
worship service.
Now in the Christian churches
they have a conflict.
And this is a new issue because
Jewish women didn't participate
in the synagogue service, but
now Christian women participate
in the Christian service.
And when they participate,
these two cultural symbols come
into conflict.
For a woman to remove her head
covering, it means something
different than a man to remove
his covering.
Because these two cultural
practices conflict, Christian
women had a problem and they
didn't know which symbol they
should follow, that's creating
conflict and debate in the
church.
So if the woman removed her
head covering, she is
disrespecting her husband, but
if she kept it on, she's
disrespecting God, and there
were parties in the church who
were arguing for each practice,
and Paul is weighing in and
saying, which symbol speaks
loudest to your culture?
What message are they likely to
understand when she stands up
to pray?
If she stands up and takes her
head covering off, are people in
your culture going to say, Oh,
look, there's a woman who's
honoring God, or are they going
to conclude, oh, there's a woman
who's disrespecting their
husband?
And Paul has argued they will
see that as a sign of
disrespect, so keep your head
covering on.
Now in many cultures, long hair
on a woman is part of her
beauty.
It is styled, it's adorned,
it's considered part of her
attractiveness.
For a married woman to put her
hair up or to cover it, send the
message in those cultures, my
beauty is for my husband.
I have pledged myself to him, I
am reserving myself for him,
and in that way it was a sign of
respect or loyalty or a way to
say, I am no longer available.
I don't think it's immoral to
have your hair showing, but in
that culture, married women
covered their heads to show
loyalty to their husbands.
For a married woman to stand up
and remove her head covering in
that culture sent the wrong
message.
She is removing the thing that
says, I have pledged myself to
my husband alone, similar to my
earlier analogy of removing your
wedding ring.
When Paul says if you're going
to do that, you might as well go
all the way and shave your
head.
I think he's appealing to those
who are arguing that she take
her head off.
And he's saying, look at how
this message plays.
Removing her head covering is
sending the same message as
shaving your head and cutting
your hair.
Now we know that in some
situations an adulterous woman
had her head shaved as part of
her punishment.
The idea was her hair is her
beauty, her beauty should be
reserved for her husband.
She has misused her beauty and
adultery, and the punishment was
to take her beauty from her.
And Paul is saying, if you're
going to remove your head
covering and treat your hair as
if it's not reserved for your
husband, you might as well go
all the way and shave it off
because you're sending the same
cultural message.
In either case, I think Paul is
addressing the idea in Corinth
at the time, the cultural
message it would have sent for a
married woman to cover or
uncover her hair.
That's a cultural issue, it's
not a binding practice.
But he appeals to universal
truths that we can learn
something from.
So to summarize, as best I
understand the situation, in
their culture, married women
kept their heads covered as a
sign of respect for their
husbands.
Also in their culture, when men
prayed or preached in public,
they removed their head
coverings.
Before Christianity, women did
not participate in the Jewish
worship service, they watched
from a separate area, but that
changed in the Christian church,
and since women are
participating right alongside
men, we have this conflict of
symbols.
What's a married woman to do
when she stands up to pray or
teach?
If she removes her head
covering, that is respectful to
God, but disrespectful to her
husband.
If she keeps her head covering
on, that is respectful to her
husband, but disrespectful to
God.
We have a clash of cultural
symbol and practice.
And I understand Paul to be
saying wives should keep their
head coverings on because that
symbol speaks loudest in their
culture.
That's not a practice we have
today.
That's not a message we're
sending one way or the other
with head coverings, and I don't
think that's a binding issue
for women today.
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