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Krisan Marotta: Welcome to the
Wednesday in the Word podcast.
I'm Krisan Marotta, and this is
my podcast about what the Bible
means and how we know.
Today we'll study Matthew
chapter 8, verses 28 through 34.
This is the 46th talk in my
series on the Gospel of Matthew.
The lecture notes for today's
talk are on the link below this
podcast, or you can go directly
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Matthew 4 6.
Thanks so much for joining me
today.
We're going to finish Matthew
chapter 8 today.
Matthew has been describing a
number of miracles that Jesus
has performed, and I have been
arguing that a key theme
throughout these miracles is the
authority of Jesus.
Matthew intends to show us that
Jesus not only speaks with the
authority of God, but Jesus acts
with the authority of God.
And we've talked about how we
see a response of faith before
the miracle in the person who's
seeking Jesus, and then the
miracles call on everyone who
sees them or hears about them to
respond with faith.
In the last podcast, we looked
at the passage where Jesus calms
the storm.
In that story, the disciples
faced a situation that was out
of their control.
The external circumstances they
faced threatened to overwhelm
them.
The issue today concerns not
external terrifying
circumstances, but terrible
inward conditions as Jesus heals
two men who are possessed by
demons.
Mark gives us quite a bit more
detail in his account, which you
can find in Mark chapter 5,
verses 1 through 20, and I'm
going to be bringing in a lot of
the details that he gives us.
Piecing the details together
for Mark's account, we know that
Jesus had taught all day long.
At the end of the day, he's
exhausted.
He says, Let's go over to the
other side of the lake, and they
get in the boat probably around
dusk or sometime late in the
day.
Then they faced the experience
with the storm that we talked
about in the last podcast.
Now the storm and the journey
are over, it's probably very
late at night or early morning.
They've crossed the Sea of
Galilee to the region of the
Garacines, and immediately
they're confronted by two men
possessed by demons.
Let me read Matthew chapter
eight, verses twenty eight
through thirty four.
And when he came to the other
side, to the country of the
Gadarenes, two demon possessed
men met him, coming out of the
tombs, so fierce that no one
could pass that way.
And behold, they cried out,
What have you to do with us, O
Son of God?
Have you come here to torment
us before the time?
Now a herd of many pigs was
feeding at some distance from
them, and the demons begged him,
saying, If you cast us out,
send us away into the herd of
pigs.
And he said to them, Go.
So they came out and went into
the pigs, and behold, the whole
herd rushed down the steep bank
into the sea and drowned in the
waters.
The herdsmen fled, and going
into the city they told
everything, especially what had
happened to the demon possessed
men.
And behold, all the city came
out to meet Jesus, and when they
saw him, they begged him to
leave their region.
Now there are some textual and
detail issues about where this
event takes place.
There are some name issues and
geography issues about where
these places are in relation to
the Sea of Galilee.
And I'm not going to go through
all that information.
You can find that in most of
the commentaries.
The general situation is that
the territory we're in now is
largely Gentile.
And this is supported by the
fact that there is a herd of
pigs nearby, as a typical Jewish
farmer would not be raising
pigs as they were unclean
animals.
Jesus has been teaching and
preaching in the territories on
the Jewish side of the Sea of
Galilee, and now he's crossed
over into Gentile territory.
The second issue is the number
of men involved.
Mark 5 and Luke 8 speak of one
man, and Matthew speaks of two
men with unclean spirits.
And again, there's a lot we
could say about this issue.
People write about it a lot.
I don't really want to get into
the full debate about what's
going on with the number.
Briefly, I just want to tell
you how I approach this kind of
issue, and this is going to be
really brief.
When authors tell stories, they
are free to pick and choose
which details to include.
You're probably familiar with
this.
You've probably had the
experience where there's a
family story that gets told and
retold and retold, but it gets
changed depending on which
family member is doing the
telling.
No one's lying, no one's making
things up or making mistakes.
They're just telling the story
and the way they want to tell it
to make the point that they
want to make.
Well, biblical authors do the
same things.
I approach these situations
with the assumption that the
authors are reliable and
trustworthy.
They are free to give us only
the details they want to give
us, that doesn't mean they're
wrong or they're lying.
In that sense, it doesn't
really matter how many men were
involved so much as it matters
what kind of book we think the
Bible is.
Now generally speaking, there
are two broad ways to approach
this difference in number.
Now there are a lot of nuances
and differences, but broadly
speaking, we can categorize the
approaches into two main lines
of thought.
One way sees Matthew as
changing historical details
without regard for what actually
happened.
In this view, people would say
Mark wrote first and said there
was one man.
Matthew read Mark and for
whatever reason decided to
change it to two men and so he
did.
In fact, some scholars claim
that Matthew does this again.
Mark and Luke tell us the story
of one blind man who was
healed, but when Matthew tells
us there are two blind men who
are healed, and scholars
sometimes call this Matthew's
doubling tendency.
They argue that for various
reasons Matthew exaggerates.
I reject any approach that goes
this direction because it casts
doubt on Matthew's credibility,
and I think Matthew is very
credible and we can trust him.
The other way to approach these
kinds of issues says all the
gospel writers care about what
actually happened and they have
different levels of knowledge
about the event.
As one of the twelve, Matthew
was an eyewitness to these
events.
Mark and Luke got their
information by interviewing
those who were eyewitnesses.
They offer different levels of
details in how they report the
events.
All the accounts agree that
Jesus cast demons out of a man,
only Matthew includes the detail
that there were actually two
men.
The story has been retold and
told and told again, and Matthew
as the eyewitness says, let me
fill you in on one minor detail,
there were actually two men.
Again, when authors tell
stories, they are free to pick
and choose which details to
include to make the points that
they want to make.
If Matthew is right, and I
suspect he is, it doesn't mean
Mark and Luke made a mistake, it
means Mark and Luke weren't as
precise as Matthew, and that's
okay because precision is not
their goal.
For example, when they say that
Jesus miraculously fed the
5,000, what if someone was able
to prove, well, in reality there
were 5,000 ten, or there were
only 4,995 people fed that day?
That's not a problem.
That's not the truth of the
story the author meant to
proclaim.
His point was not about the
actual number of people fed, but
the fact that Jesus
miraculously fed a very large
group of people.
I think we can say that Mark,
Matthew, and Luke are telling
the truth with different levels
of details.
The point is not how many men
were there, the point is the
actions of Jesus.
And notice that we can't settle
this issue by looking at the
text themselves.
Either explanation fits the
facts presented in the text as
we have them.
My perspective is that Jesus
teaches us to have great
confidence in the truth the
Bible proclaims.
When the Bible says something
is true, it is true.
So I reject any explanation
that says Matthew exaggerates or
makes things up.
It makes perfect sense to me
that different authors give
different levels of detail in
their stories.
But to say that Matthew is
making things up that didn't
happen is a problem.
Now we could spend a lot of
time talking about the
reliability of Scripture, but we
won't go there today.
I just want you to know where
I'm coming from.
I believe the scriptures are
reliable and trustworthy, and I
don't find any problem with the
fact that Matthew says there
were two men and Mark and Luke
say there was one.
All right, let's look at the
story.
The story itself is fairly
straightforward.
When Jesus got out of the boat
on the other side of the lake,
two men possessed by demons came
from the tombs to meet him.
Now Matthew tells us these men
were so fierce no one could pass
that way.
Mark tells us the men were so
violent no one could bind them
with chains anymore.
When they were chained hand and
foot, they tore the chains
apart and broke the irons on
their feet, and no one was
strong enough to subdue them,
and that night and day among the
tombs and in the hills they
would cry out and cut themselves
with stones.
Matthew tells us when these men
saw Jesus from a distance, they
shouted, What have you to do
with us, O son of God?
Have you come to torment us
before the time?
Mark says one of the men says,
What do you want with me, Jesus,
son of the most high God?
Swear to God that you won't
torture me.
And Mark and Luke also tell us
that prior to this Jesus had
already said to them, Come out,
you evil spirit.
Mark additionally tells us that
Jesus asked the man, What is
your name?
And the demons replied, My name
is Legion, for we are many.
And then the demons begged
Jesus not to send them out of
the area.
There's a large herd of pigs
feeding on a nearby hillside,
and the demons begged Jesus to
allow them to go into the pigs.
Well, Jesus gave them
permission, and the evil spirits
came out and went into the
pigs, and then the herd, which
Mark tells us is about two
thousand in number, rushed down
the steep bank into the lake and
drowned.
The people who were tending the
pigs ran off and reported what
happened in the town, and then
the town people rush out to see
what's happened.
When they find Jesus, they see
the men who had been possessed
by the Legion of Demons sitting
there dressed and in their right
mind, and they're afraid, so
they plead with Jesus to leave.
Mark adds that as Jesus was
getting into the boat, one of
the men who had been demon
possessed begged to go with him,
and Jesus refused.
He said, Go home to your family
and tell them how much the Lord
has done for you and how he has
had mercy on you.
And then the man went away and
began to tell everyone how much
Jesus had done for him, and all
the people were amazed.
Well, that's the basic story.
Before we get into the
significance of it, let's talk
about demons for a minute.
The references to demons in the
New Testament is often a
stumbling block for us modern
people.
Many people think that our
modern civilization and
education dispels all these
superstitious fears of the
ancients.
They think that there's no such
thing as demons, they're only
human fears that got called by
these names.
They claim that now we're
enlightened, we're educated,
we're beyond such superstitions.
After all, we have horoscopes
and crystals and channelers and
auras and inner balance and
cosmic resonance, and a host of
other fuzzy philosophies.
It is amazing that we can fall
prey to every new age philosophy
that blows in on the wind and
then deny the existence of basic
principles like good and evil.
Now we modern Americans deny
the existence of both demons and
God, I think in part, because
we cling to naturalism.
Naturalism is the insistence
that all phenomena can be
explained by natural causes,
that there are no unseen persons
or forces that influence the
world we live in.
Naturalism has had the terrible
effect of ignoring the God who
made everything.
But there's another problem
that flows from the insistence
that everything can be explained
by natural causes, and that is
darkness is not understood
either.
Our world is dominated by the
dangerous notion that we are on
track to understand every single
mystery and fix every problem.
The mind of man, they think,
will eventually remove all
obstacles to human greatness,
remove evil, remove the forces
of darkness and everything else,
so we're told.
So naturalism denies the
existence of both God and the
devil, and both denials have
serious consequences.
I believe that the Bible claims
demons exist and that God has
limited their authority.
Now, Scripture doesn't say a
lot about demons.
Many think that demons are
fallen angels, that they're
finite in number, and that God
has placed limits on their
capacity to do evil.
Jesus said of the devil, and by
implication of all fallen
angels, that he could be summed
up as having two priorities, two
passions, and that is murder
and lies.
That's in John 8 48.
It seems to me that with the
coming of the Holy Spirit at
Pentecost, the power and
authority of demons has been
severely limited.
Before Pentecost, they seem to
have much more free reign in the
world, and people recognize
them.
Luke in particular is very
careful to point out when some
illness is caused by a demon and
when some illness is caused by
disease.
He was a doctor, he seems to
know these things.
They were part of his everyday
experience, and so they can tell
us this is a demon and this
isn't, whereas we've lost that
knowledge today.
What makes the most sense to me
as I read through scripture is
that with the coming of the Holy
Spirit, things changed
dramatically.
God put limits on the demons
and what they can do and how
they can influence the world and
people.
But those prior to Pentecost
had a lot more knowledge about
demons.
So with that in mind, let's
look at the passage.
Now picture a scary movie
landscape, and you have the
setting for the story.
Imagine the kind of eerie,
frightening sort of landscape
you've seen in a movie.
Jesus and the disciples land
their boat on the shore.
In the moonlight, they see
caves and tombs.
There may have been some
evidence of the recent storm,
maybe branches and storm debris
tossed around.
There's a large herd of pigs
moving around restlessly on an
adjacent hillside, probably
upset by the recent storm.
And suddenly these two naked
men come running down the hills
screaming at them.
The disciples must have been
terrified, thinking, what in the
world is going to happen now?
What have we gotten ourselves
into?
This night has already been
terrible.
How can things get worse?
And consider what life was like
for the demonized men.
What was their life like before
this night?
We know they were isolated,
they were violent, and they were
living alone among the dead
instead of living in community
among the living.
They remained nameless in the
story.
The people of the town had last
approached them with chains to
try to subdue them, but they
tore the chains apart.
They can't stop themselves from
being violent to others and to
themselves.
They must have hated
themselves.
They were tormented and
self-destructive, slashing
themselves with stones and going
about unclothed.
It's interesting that the
demons know exactly who Jesus
is.
Matthew says they address him
as the Son of God.
Mark and Luke say they call him
the Son of the Most High God,
and they're right.
They know who they're dealing
with.
The demons know exactly who
Jesus is, and they fear he is
there to torment them.
And those two sentences spoken
together are a doctrine of hell.
To have such clear knowledge of
the person and status of Jesus
and yet believe and know that
his purpose is to condemn you is
the worst condition to be in.
The demons are facing judgment
with the certain knowledge that
they're condemned.
Now Matthew gives us the
interesting little detail that
they say, Have you come to
torment us before the time?
Presumably they recognize that
a time is coming when the
Messiah will deal with them in a
final, decisive way.
They believe the day of
judgment is coming, and when
they face that judgment, it is
Jesus who will deliver it.
Their fate is ultimately in his
hands, but they know that's not
supposed to happen yet.
So these men are a graphic
picture of rebellion to God.
These men are experiencing on
the outside what all of us
sinners experience on the
inside.
And in that sense, these men
are no different from us.
They experience the same kind
of darkness we all experience
from sin, only for them it's
multiplied to an impossible
degree and it's visible for all
to see.
But if you stop and think about
it, we have a lot in common
with them.
We know what it's like to rebel
against God.
We know what it's like to feel
unclean, unworthy of association
with good people, to feel as if
our lives contaminate others.
We know what it's like to be
isolated, to try to have
relationships with other people,
but they reject us.
We know what it's like to be
out of control, to have habits
and pressures and thoughts that
make us want to do what we hate
doing, and whatever chains we
use to stop ourselves are just
inadequate.
So we know what it's like to be
tormented and self-destructive.
The demoniacs here experience
in the extreme what all of us
experience to some degree due to
our sin.
As with many of Jesus' healings
and miracles, there's a
symbolism here we don't want to
miss.
The demons make visible on the
outside the destructive power of
sin that all of us have on the
inside.
We have two men who are the
ultimate picture of living hell
and rebellion to God.
They know who Jesus is, they
recognize his authority, and
they know they will be
condemned.
Now we've just seen Jesus still
an external physical storm.
Now he's faced with this
internal storm of evil and
rebellion that's manifesting
itself visibly on the outside.
And this new enemy also falls
at Jesus' feet under his
authority.
Now that ought to give us hope
because evil and rebellion to
God is our real enemy.
The Jews thought Rome was their
enemy.
They hoped to drive the Romans
out of their land and into the
sea, which is exactly what Jesus
does to the pigs.
The disciples, a few hours
earlier, thought the external
storm was the real problem that
threatened them, but Jesus
calmed the storm.
But the real enemy is not Rome
nor the storm.
The real enemy is the evil
within, the evil and rebellion
to God represented by the legion
of demons who are terrorizing
these men.
When the demons come begging
Jesus for a reprieve, Mark and
Luke tell us that Jesus asked
them, What is your name?
Now when he asks them what's
your name, he's asking not just
who are you?
He's not just asking, What are
you called?
He's asking, What's your
identity?
What's your reputation?
We use this phrase to Day when
we talk about asking in the name
of Jesus.
When we pray and we say we pray
in Jesus' name, it's not like
putting the magic words of
please or thank you on our
prayers.
It's asking based on who Jesus
is.
To ask God for something in
Jesus' name is to ask based on
the fact that Jesus is the
Messiah, the Savior who died for
my sins.
His name is His identity.
And I think that's what's going
on here.
When Jesus says, What's your
name?
He's saying, What identity is
going to finally remain?
When it becomes clear who you
are, by what name will you be
known?
What father characterizes you?
What father do you obey and
follow?
And that's a question we all
face at some point.
Who am I and what is inside me?
The internal storm faced by
these nameless outcasts is a
graphic picture of the battle in
our souls today.
The sin in our hearts is of the
same evil.
The sin inside binds us and
holds us prisoner just as the
demons held these men.
The real enemy we face is not
external circumstances.
It's not the other guy who
annoys us, it's not bad luck,
it's not even outside us.
The real enemy is the sin and
evil within.
To ask what is your name is to
ask what is your identity?
Who is your father?
What's inside you?
That's the real enemy, and
that's precisely the enemy Jesus
has come to conquer.
Now the demons answer legion,
which is a technical name for a
Roman military company
consisting of several thousand
troops.
Matthew leaves vague how many
demons there are.
He just uses the plural.
Mark and Luke give us this
question and the answer legion.
And legion gives us the picture
of an enemy too numerous to
count, an enemy of overwhelming
force and strength and odds, the
enemy that prompted Mark's
gripping description of the
man's dark and tragic lifestyle,
an enemy so strong that no
chains could bind him.
No shackle was strong enough to
hold him, and there was nothing
that could be done.
Yet, even with an enemy that
strong, Jesus banishes this
enemy with only a word.
This terrible enemy falls at
the feet of Jesus and begs for
mercy.
The picture here is there is no
sin or no evil so great that
Jesus cannot overcome it.
There is no evil beyond his
authority to heal and rescue and
redeem.
There's nothing inside you or
me that he cannot heal and
redeem.
Now why the pigs?
The demons begged Jesus not to
make them leave the area, and
Jesus gives in.
Now, why did he do that?
I don't think Jesus had a soft
spot for demons.
He didn't answer in effect,
well, you know, I'm sorry it's
so hard for you.
I know you don't want to leave.
Let's find an alternative.
That's not the issue.
I think this horde of demons
longed to stay in the region
because it was a place of death.
It was filled with caves and
tombs.
It was a place of unclean
animals and of horrible, fearful
circumstances.
It was a place where violence
was accomplished and lives were
ended or ruined.
So it's a stronghold of evil,
and I think that's why they want
to stay.
But Jesus knew in order for
anybody else to be sure that the
demons had been banished, he
had to do something dramatic.
If he did something invisible,
no onlooker would ever know for
sure whether these demons were
gone.
They could never be certain
whether the place had been
cleansed or whether evil still
remained.
So Jesus gives the demons what
they want, but probably not what
they intended.
He gave them permission to go
into the pigs, and then the pigs
proceed to drown themselves in
the lake.
Now everyone would know that
not only had the demons left the
men, that they were banished
and gone and defeated.
Additionally, the Canaanites
sacrificed pigs to their idols.
They needed these pigs for an
economic system built around
idolatry.
The loss of such a large herd
is going to hurt their system of
idolatry.
Healing the men made clear that
they were free from their
inward evil and rebellion.
Drowning the pigs made it clear
that this place was no longer
inhabited by the demons.
The stronghold of death and
destruction has been taken by
one who was stronger, who
banishes not only the demons,
but the things they need for
their idols.
You can imagine what seeing
approximately two thousand pigs
flying off a cliff into oblivion
must have looked like.
That sight was obviously
intended to drive home the point
that not only are the men
healed, the whole region is
clean.
For these two men, that must
have been the equivalent of an
alcoholic seeing every bottle he
ever touched, every bar stool
he ever occupied, and every beer
commercial that ever enticed
him all gathered together and
smashed into oblivion, leaving
him free and clear.
Matthew tells us that the
townspeople asked Jesus to
leave.
Mark tells us the townspeople
are afraid of Jesus.
Well, you can understand why.
It's presumably morning by the
time the pig herders had run
away to the town and then come
back and gathered everybody to
see what had happened.
During the night a storm had
suddenly stopped.
Two howling demoniacs had been
made well, and a herd of pigs
had been destroyed.
What would all these events
lead to?
They don't know what Jesus is
going to do next or what uproar
he might cause.
He frightens them and so they
ask him to leave.
Jesus agrees to leave, but he
leaves behind a witness or two.
Mark tells us that one of the
men asked to go with Jesus, but
Jesus told the man to go back to
the people in the area and tell
them what happened.
And they did.
Later the gospel flourished in
this region.
We know from the book of Acts
that there was a strong church
in Damascus, one of the cities
of the Decapolis.
That's where Paul went when he
was first converted, and he was
welcomed and discipled there.
This region became a fertile
field for evangelism, and it
seems to have started with the
testimony of these two men.
Now Matthew doesn't include as
much information in this story
as Mark and Luke do.
Matthew seems to have one
purpose to demonstrate the
authority of Jesus.
This powerful legion of demons
recognized the day is coming
when Jesus will ultimately
defeat and imprison them.
This powerful legion of demons
had no choice but to obey
everything Jesus said.
We have powerful physical
evidence.
Not only are the men healed,
but the herd of swine hurl
themselves into the sea.
And once again, this miracle is
bringing merciful deliverance
through the power of God.
Last week we saw that Jesus had
God given authority over the
power and the forces of nature.
This story tells us that Jesus
has God given authority over the
powers of darkness and evil.
And together they build the
case that Jesus is the Messiah,
the deliverer who is sent from
God.
The storm looked overwhelming,
and yet Jesus calmed it with a
word.
The men were violent and
powerful and out of control and
completely at the mercy of evil,
and yet Jesus banishes their
demons with a word.
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