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Krisan Marotta: Welcome back to
the Wednesday in the Word
podcast.
I'm Krisan Marotta, and this is
my podcast about what the Bible
means and how we know.
This is the fourth talk in my
series on the Gospel of John.
Today we'll be studying John
chapter 1, verses 35 through 51.
I'm so glad you joined us.
In this study, we are focusing
on the overarching structure and
the big themes of the Gospel of
John.
We're not going into the kind
of detailed micro exegesis of
each story that I usually do.
Like all authors, John made
choices about how he presented
this material.
I think he put the stories
together in a certain way and
included certain details while
omitting others because he had
particular goals.
And in this study, we're trying
to uncover those goals to
figure out what John intended to
communicate by those choices.
This is the kind of study we
often forget to do when we're
doing Bible study.
It's easy to get so into the
details, the word studies, the
phrasing, and all the
particulars of each story that
we forget to step back from time
to time and look up and say,
what's the big picture?
What are all these details
coming together to teach us?
And that's what we're focusing
on in this study.
I've been arguing that the
fundamental assertion of the
Gospel of John is those who
believe the testimony that Jesus
is the Christ will find eternal
life in heaven.
John in his gospel is exploring
this whole set of issues
associated with belief.
So far we've seen three related
themes.
First, the importance of
testimony.
Why should we believe what we
have not seen for ourselves?
And John is answering, we
believe because of the testimony
of those who did see it.
Second, believing in Jesus is
the only way to receive eternal
life.
What's the point of all this
testimony?
Well, the point is that we
believe in Jesus.
And why is believing in Jesus
so important?
Because he's the only one who
can grant us eternal life.
The third thing we've seen is
the nature of belief.
How do you even become a person
who believes in Jesus at all?
We have to be born of God.
We have to have the
supernatural activity of the
Spirit working in us.
And especially as we go
forward, John is going to
contrast those who believe with
those who do not believe.
And the difference between them
is the activity of the Spirit
of God.
Last week we looked at the
testimony of John the Baptist.
We saw that John the Baptist
gave both a positive and a
negative testimony.
He emphatically denied that he
was the Messiah.
That's his negative testimony.
On the positive side, he
identified Jesus of Nazareth as
the Messiah.
John the Baptist testified that
as a prophet of God, God told
him how he would recognize the
Messiah.
God told John the Baptist that
when he baptized the Messiah, he
would see the Spirit descend on
that person and remain on him.
And John testifies that's
exactly what happened when he
baptized Jesus.
The story we're looking at
today comes close on the heels
of last week's story.
Today's story is the first of
three related stories that
involve the disciples of Jesus
who will eventually become his
apostles.
And the stories we're looking
at, the next three stories,
revolve around their role in
this theme of testimony and
belief.
The disciples will play an
important part in testimony and
belief.
First, the apostles have
firsthand knowledge of the
evidence that Jesus is the
Messiah or Jesus is the Christ.
Second, the apostles themselves
believe that Jesus is the
Messiah.
So they are models of people
who respond to this evidence
with belief.
And finally, it is their
testimony, ultimately, that you
and I must believe.
We didn't see the events of
Jesus' earthly ministry happen.
Instead, we respond to the
testimony of the apostles.
So we need to know who they are
and that they're reliable.
The apostles play a big role in
John's gospel, and he
highlights that their job is to
testify to what they saw and
heard.
Today's story and the next two
are tied together by this common
theme.
I debated covering all of them
in one big podcast, but it just
was getting too long.
So I'm going to give you three
shorter podcasts instead, but I
think they're all related.
The story we're looking at
today goes from chapter 1, verse
35 to verse 42.
This is the story of how the
first apostles meet and come to
believe in Jesus.
Now, speaking of John the
Baptist, author John writes, The
next day again John was
standing with two of his
disciples, and he looked at
Jesus as he walked by and said,
Behold the Lamb of God.
The two disciples heard him say
this, and they followed Jesus.
Jesus turned and saw them
following and said to them, What
are you seeking?
And they said to him, Rabbi,
which means teacher, where are
you staying?
He said to them, Come and see.
So they came and saw where he
was staying, and they stayed
with him that day, for it was
about the tenth hour.
One of the two who heard John
speak and followed Jesus was
Andrew, Simon Peter's brother.
He first found his own brother
Simon and said to him, We have
found the Messiah, which means
Christ.
He brought him to Jesus.
Jesus looked at him and said,
You are Simon, the son of John.
You shall be called Cephas,
which means Peter.
The first story then begins the
day after John the Baptist gave
his testimony concerning Jesus.
That's the story we talked
about in the last podcast.
What we're seeing now are the
ripples that kind of spiral out
from John's testimony.
John the Baptist is standing
with two of his disciples.
We're told one is Andrew, and
the second disciple is not
named.
Many people suspect that second
disciple to be our author,
John, because he has a habit of
not mentioning himself by name
in the book.
Now, John the Baptist was their
rabbi at this time.
They are his disciples, his
students.
And students followed their
rabbi wherever their rabbi went.
They listen to his teaching,
they serve him, and they try to
learn from him.
These two believe John the
Baptist when he says that he's a
prophet from God.
They believe him when as a
prophet he says the Messiah is
coming.
And now he has said to them,
You see that man over there?
He's the one.
He's the Messiah I've been
saying is coming.
On the basis then of John the
Baptist's testimony, Andrew and
probably author John become
followers of Jesus.
Let's look at 38 and 39 again.
Jesus turned and saw them
following and said to them, What
are you seeking?
And they said to him, Rabbi,
which means teacher, where are
you staying?
He said to them, Come and see.
So they came and saw where he
was staying, and they stayed
with him that day, for it was
about the tenth hour.
Jesus' invitation to join him
where he's staying has
implications.
It's really the start of a new
phase of their lives.
The whole idea of being a
disciple of a rabbi was that you
would stay with him, follow him
around, and learn from him and
be taught from him.
And that's what's happening
here with Andrew and this other
disciples.
They stay with Jesus and
ultimately they follow him and
he becomes their rabbi.
Then 40 to 42, one of the two
who heard John speak and
followed Jesus was Andrew, Simon
Peter's brother.
He first found his own brother
Simon and said to him, We have
found the Messiah, which means
Christ.
He, that's Andrew, brought him,
Peter, to Jesus.
Jesus looked at him, that's
Peter, and said, You are Simon,
the son of John, you shall be
called Cephas, which means
Peter.
So the picture we have here is
Andrew is so excited that they
found the Messiah that before he
goes to where Jesus is staying
and fought begins following him,
he runs to tell his brother.
So he runs to his brother Simon
and he says, We found the
Messiah.
Now at this point, the only
evidence Andrew has is the
testimony of John the Baptist
and maybe a little bit of time
he's spent in Jesus' company as
Jesus was around John the
Baptist.
But basically, he's heard John
the Baptist and he's convinced.
John the Baptist said, This is
the Messiah, so this is the
Messiah.
I'd better go tell my brother
we found him.
At this point, then Andrew's
brother Simon joins in.
Simon is there because of
Andrew's testimony, and Andrew's
testimony is primarily what
John the Baptist said.
Simon goes to meet Jesus and
Jesus gives him a new name.
His given name is Simon, but
Jesus nicknames him Peter or
Petros, which in Greek means
rock.
Cephas is the Aramaic word
which means rock.
Sometimes you'll see Simon
Peter referred to as Cephas in
the New Testament.
Sometimes he's Peter, sometimes
he's Simon Peter.
It's all the same men.
What author John is interested
in, though, is this chain of
belief.
John the Baptist tells Andrew,
Jesus is the Christ, Andrew
believes, Andrew tells his
brother Simon Peter, Jesus is
the Christ, and Peter believes.
Next comes Philip and
Nathaniel.
This is John chapter 1, 43 to
44.
The next day Jesus decided to
go to Galilee.
He found Philip and said to
him, Follow me.
Now Philip was from Beth Seda,
the city of Andrew and Peter.
Philip found Nathaniel and said
to him, We have found him of
whom Moses and the law and also
the prophets wrote, Jesus of
Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
Now what does Philip have to go
on?
Philip has the person of Jesus
standing in front of him, but he
hasn't had much firsthand
experience with Jesus yet.
John tells us Philip is from
the same city as Andrew and
Peter.
That suggests that he knows
Andrew and Peter.
They're his neighbors and his
friends.
He sees that they believe this
man Jesus is the Messiah, and so
he believes too.
Presumably Andrew and Peter
told Philip that the prophet
John the Baptist announced to
them that Jesus is the Messiah.
They believe it, they've
started following Jesus, and
Philip believes on the basis of
their testimony.
We know that Philip believes
because he goes to tell
Nathaniel, we have found the one
that Moses and the prophets
wrote about.
Now, so far in this story,
Author John has not told us
anything about what Jesus has
said or done.
Author John has not told us
much at all about Jesus himself
that would convince all these
people that he is the Messiah.
The main evidence that we have
so far is the testimony of John
the Baptist.
Now Philip goes to Nathanael,
and this is where we see the
influence of testimony break
down, because Nathaniel is
skeptical.
This is chapter one, forty-five
through fifty-one.
Philip found Nathanael and said
to him, We have found him of
whom Moses and the law and also
the prophets wrote, Jesus of
Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
Nathaniel said to him, Can
anything good come out of
Nazareth?
Philip said to him, Come and
see.
Jesus saw Nathaniel coming
toward him and said of him,
Behold an Israelite indeed, in
whom there is no deceit.
Nathanael said to him, How do
you know me?
Jesus answered him, Before
Philip called you, when you were
under the fig tree I saw you.
Nathanael answered him, Rabbi,
you are the Son of God, you are
the king of Israel.
Jesus answered him, Because I
said to you I saw you under the
fig tree, do you believe?
You will see greater things
than these.
And he said to him, Truly,
truly, I say to you, you will
see heaven opened and the angels
of God ascending and descending
on the Son of Man.
There's a lot we could talk
about there, but I am going to
try to stay focused on these big
themes.
Philip tells Nathaniel Jesus is
the Christ, but Philip also
tells Nathaniel that Jesus is
from Nazareth.
Nathaniel is skeptical.
Shouldn't the Messiah come from
Bethlehem or Jerusalem?
Nazareth is this little hole in
the wall place in Galilee.
Galilee is not the center of
religious life.
Jerusalem in Judea is the
center of religious life.
I think that's what's behind
his question.
How could anything good come
out of Nazareth?
Nathaniel is from Galilee,
which is the region where
Nazareth existed.
He knows Nazareth and he's
suspicious and he says so
bluntly.
And Philip says, Well, come and
see.
If you won't buy my testimony,
come and see for yourself.
So John is developing this
theme of belief.
Why would I believe this
message about Jesus?
Well, if I don't believe your
testimony, I need to come and
check it out for myself.
As Nathaniel approaches Jesus,
Jesus says something that blows
him away.
Let's look at 47 through 49
again.
Jesus saw Nathaniel coming
toward him and said of him,
Behold an Israelite in whom
there is no deceit.
Nathanael said to him, How do
you know me?
Jesus answered him, Before
Philip called you, when you were
under the fig tree I saw you.
Nathanael answered him, Rabbi,
you are the Son of God, you are
the King of Israel.
Now I've read various
discussions about this exchange
between Jesus and Nathaniel.
There are various
interpretations and theories
about exactly what's going on.
And if we were doing a detailed
study, we'd dig into all those
theories and try to figure out
why one is more persuasive than
the other.
But I want to stay focused on
the big picture, so I'm just
going to tell you what makes the
most sense to me.
I think Jesus is commenting on
what Nathaniel just said to
Philip.
Nathaniel responded to his
friend's enthusiasm: this is the
Messiah with this blunt
statement, you've got to be
kidding me, nothing good can
come out of Nazareth.
And Jesus says about him, here
is an Israelite in whom there is
no deceit or guile.
Basically, I think he's saying
something like, Well, there's a
real Israelite for you.
This guy tells you what he's
thinking straight out.
He doesn't mince any words, he
doesn't use any guile or
sneakiness.
If he thinks you're wrong, he
just says, Yep, you're wrong.
I think the intent of
Nathaniel's statement is, how
could Jesus be the Messiah?
The Messiah is not going to
come from Nazareth.
I think that's what he means by
nothing good can come out of
Nazareth.
So Nathaniel responds rather
bluntly to Philip, and I think
Jesus' statement is not a
general sort of, oh, here comes
a good guy, here's someone
without deceit.
He's commenting on what
Nathaniel had just said, but he
wasn't there.
How did Jesus know what
Nathaniel said when he wasn't
present when Nathaniel said it?
In fact, how does he know
anything about Nathaniel at all?
That's why Nathaniel wonders,
how do you know me?
Nathaniel recognizes that Jesus
has correctly described him.
I suspect Jesus might also have
repeated his words.
But Author John doesn't give us
that detail, so that's just my
speculation.
At any rate, Nathaniel says,
How do you know anything about
me?
We've never met.
Then Jesus makes it clear that
he knows about the whole episode
with Philip under the fig tree.
Either Jesus saw this episode,
but he was too far away to hear
what they were saying, or he
wasn't anywhere nearby and he
just knows about it.
Either way, Nathaniel's blown
away by his comment.
Jesus has performed a kind of
minor miracle for Nathaniel's
benefit.
Jesus apparently wasn't
anywhere near the place, but he
knows exactly what happened.
And that's why Nathaniel
responds, This is amazing.
Philip tells me this is the
Messiah and he's from Nazareth.
I don't believe the Messiah
would come from Nazareth, but
then I meet the man and he tells
me what I said and did when he
wasn't there.
So Nathaniel responds with
belief.
He was skeptical before, but
now he believes.
When he says you are the Son of
God, you are the King of
Israel, he means you are the
Messiah.
Now what is John, Author John,
added to the chain of belief?
First, he gave us the testimony
of John the Baptist that Jesus
is the Christ.
The first apostles believe on
the basis of John the Baptist's
testimony.
They and we haven't seen Jesus
do anything yet to convince us
that he's the Messiah.
And eventually that chain of
belief breaks down.
Nathanael says, No, no, your
word alone isn't good enough for
me.
The Messiah is not going to
come from Nazareth.
Now, for the first time, we see
Jesus act in a way that proves
he's the Messiah.
He knows things he couldn't
know unless God told him.
That's a sign that Jesus is the
Messiah, and Nathaniel believes
because of this sign.
So now we have both the
testimony of John the Baptist
and firsthand knowledge of Jesus
bringing about belief.
I talked about this a little in
the last podcast, but just to
remind you, the Son of God and
the King of Israel are both two
different ways of saying this is
the Messiah.
The Hebrew word Messiah means
the anointed one.
The king of Israel was the
anointed one, the one person
anointed to be king and to rule
in God's place as his firstborn
son would rule.
So the king acts like the
firstborn son, ruling and acting
with his father's authority.
After the exile, when there was
no king on David's throne, the
prophets predicted a new king, a
new anointed one, the Messiah,
would come and sit on David's
throne forever, ruling over all
the earth with justice and
righteousness.
This new king, this new son of
God, will be the anointed one,
the Messiah.
So Messiah, Son of God, King of
Israel were all three terms
which came to refer to this one
coming king that the prophets
predicted.
Notice that Philip describes
Jesus as the one written about
by Moses and the prophets.
He's the one we've been waiting
for, the one predicted in the
Old Testament by the prophets.
And now we see Nathaniel is no
longer suspicious, he believes,
and Jesus makes a comment on
that belief.
Let's look at fifty and
fifty-one.
Jesus answered him, Because I
said to you I saw you under the
fig tree, do you believe?
You will see greater things
than these.
And he said to him, Truly,
truly, I say to you, you will
see heaven opened and the angels
of God ascending and descending
on the Son of Man.
I think the way that Jesus
responds to Nathaniel is
significant to one of the main
themes of this book.
Author John could have included
this story because it's an
interesting little story and
shows a different kind of
miracle that Jesus can do.
But Author John doesn't stop
with the miracle.
He goes on to record another
comment Jesus makes about the
fact that he did this miracle,
and that comment is on the
nature of belief, which as we'll
see is a big theme in this
gospel.
John's gospel is all about
believing that Jesus is the
Christ, why we believe in, and
what the nature of belief
involves.
We're going to see that a
central theme in this book is
what will it take to make you
believe?
Why people believe is a central
question that John explores.
Now Jesus comments on why
Nathaniel believes.
He says, Nathaniel, you believe
because you saw this sign.
You have no idea what's coming.
You're going to see much
greater signs.
You believe because you saw
this small but rather striking
sign.
Just wait.
You're going to see much
greater displays of God's power.
I understand this little event
is impressive to you, but you
haven't seen anything yet.
I think Jesus is commending
Nathaniel that he believes on
the basis of this small sign.
This minor miracle pushed
Nathaniel from skepticism to
belief, but Nathaniel is going
to see much greater signs that
will reinforce his belief later
on.
Author John is exploring this
question: what does it take for
someone to believe?
And we're going to see this
come up a lot in the gospel.
Sometimes he'll give us cases
of people refusing to believe
despite a mountain of evidence
literally staring them in their
face.
Other times, people race to
belief on the basis of a
third-party report with no
firsthand knowledge.
John is very interested in the
fundamental basis of belief and
why some believe and others
don't.
The question Jesus asks
Nathaniel challenges him and us
really to stop and ask why do we
believe what we believe?
What moved Nathaniel from
skepticism to belief?
And as we go through the
gospel, we'll see a lot of times
evidence alone is not enough.
Many people are going to see
greater miracles than what
Nathaniel saw, and they are
going to walk Away.
Becoming a person of faith
involves an internal battle.
Evidence is an important piece
of the battle.
Testimony is an important piece
of the battle.
But even more important is our
spiritual state.
The Spirit of God has to
prepare a person to hear and
believe.
Jesus tells Nathaniel he will
see greater things than this
little sign, and he makes this
comment about he'll see the
heavens opened and the angels of
God ascending and descending on
the Son of Man.
What is that all about?
Well, first, the Son of Man is
another messianic title.
Jesus refers to himself that
way a lot.
In fact, all but three times
that this title occurs in the
New Testament, Jesus is the one
saying it.
Son of Man refers back to the
Old Testament vision recorded in
Daniel 7.
Daniel had a vision of the
heavenly court of God where he
saw the ancient of days, which I
believe to be God the Father,
enthroned, and judgment is set,
and then enters one like a son
of man.
This is Daniel seven, thirteen
and fourteen.
I saw in the night visions, and
behold, with the clouds of
heaven there came one like a son
of man, and he came to the
ancient of days and was
presented before him, and to him
was given dominion and glory
and a kingdom that all peoples,
nations, and languages should
serve him.
His dominion is an everlasting
dominion which shall not pass
away, and his kingdom one that
shall not be destroyed.
Now you'll notice we don't have
a title here.
The phrase in Daniel is there
came one like a son of man, and
this phrase son of man is used
frequently in the Old Testament
just to mean simply a human
being, a son of man, a human
being.
But in this vision, we see one
like a human being is given
dominion, authority, glory, and
an everlasting kingdom.
All the peoples and nations
serve him.
Now we tend to think that when
Jesus calls himself the Son of
Man, he's expressing a kind of
humility.
But I think, in fact, that this
is a claim to divine authority.
This coming Son of Man is the
Messiah, and this term Son of
Man came to refer to this person
in Daniel's vision who is going
to be given all authority,
dominion, and glory in an
everlasting kingdom, and that
person is the Messiah.
And when Jesus claims to be Son
of Man, I think he's claiming
messianic authority.
He's saying, I am the one who
will sit on David's throne
forever and rule over all
creation and justice and
righteousness.
But he's claiming to be the
Messiah in a kind of quiet and
subtle way.
Many people might hear him call
himself the Son of Man and
think, oh, he just means he's
human.
And this phrase can simply
refer to a human being.
But those who have paid
attention to the Old Testament
and are familiar with Daniel
would see that this phrase has a
richer meaning.
It could refer to the one
coming Son of Man from Daniel's
vision who will be given all
authority and dominion.
So Jesus can use that phrase
and not provoke charges of
blasphemy because many would
think he's simply calling
himself a man.
But to those who have the ears
to hear, he is revealing, I
think, that he is the Messiah.
But he doesn't reveal his
identity so blatantly that he
starts a revolution where people
try to install him as king in
some kind of political
revolution.
That's not the plan he wants to
fulfill.
Now, what's going on with this
image of the angels of God
ascending and descending from
the open heavens?
It's likely here a lot of
scholars agree that Jesus is
alluding to the Old Testament
story of Jacob's ladder, which
is recorded in Genesis 28.
Jacob is one of the patriarchs.
He is the son of Isaac, who is
the son of Abraham.
Jacob is on a journey.
He stops for the night and
makes a camp outside.
That night he has a dream where
God tells him that his family
will inherit the land that he's
sleeping on.
And in this dream, he sees a
ladder going from heaven to
earth with angels ascending and
descending on the ladder.
I think the image here of the
angels on the ladder is that
they're descending to do the
work of God and then they return
to God to get further
instructions.
And if Jesus is in fact
alluding to this story, I think
he's cryptically saying that one
day the disciples are going to
see Jesus as the focus of all
this heavenly activity.
Instead of many angels on the
ladder doing the work of God, we
will have the Messiah.
The Messiah has metaphorically
come down the ladder to do the
will of his Father.
God's plan is now focused on
the life and work of the
Messiah.
And as you see Jesus speaking,
teaching, healing, doing
miracles, it's like you're
metaphorically watching the
angels descending and ascending
on Jesus.
Something like that's going on.
I'm not sure I've got that
exactly right, but I think Jesus
is talking about his ultimate
revelation as the Messiah, which
is often described in terms of
him coming with angels.
And he's telling Nathaniel,
you're going to see an open
display from heaven.
One day God is going to show
you in a great and wonderful way
that I am the Messiah.
I think he's got the
resurrection in mind there.
But this little miracle you saw
today, this is nothing compared
to what's coming.
Even if he isn't referring to
the resurrection, if he's got
something else in mind, I think
his main point is clear.
Now let me wrap this story up.
Andrew, Peter, Philip, and
Nathaniel, plus this unnamed
disciple, who I believe is
probably the author John, they
come to believe first through
the testimony of John the
Baptist, and then through Jesus'
miraculous knowledge of
Nathaniel, even when he wasn't
there.
The disciples had the testimony
from John the Baptist about how
God told John that he would
recognize the Messiah, and now
they've seen their first
miracle, and that's why they
believed, and that's why they
testify to us that Jesus is the
Christ.
So what John has shown us so
far is that we have a number of
men who have decided that Jesus
is the Christ based on the
testimony of John the Baptist,
and we have this event with
Nathaniel.
These men will become part of
the twelve.
They will be apostles who were
given the job to teach us about
Jesus after the resurrection and
ascension.
The apostles serve as eyes and
ears for all believers that
follow them, including you and
me.
John wants us to know how they
became convinced that Jesus is
the Christ.
The progress of their
understanding is important
because they're the ones who
will explain to us what this
gospel is all about.
And author John is one of those
disciples.
He's telling us these stories
because he was there.
He participated in the events,
he saw and heard them firsthand.
He wants us to know why he and
the others are so convinced the
gospel is true and Jesus is the
Messiah.
What the apostles see and hear
and how it affects them is a
very important theme we're going
to see throughout this book.
Now I would argue that John is
telling us these things because
we have to decide for ourselves
whether we will believe their
testimony.
That's what the Gospel of John
is all about.
It's about telling us what
happened, what they saw, what
they know, what they can testify
to, so that we can decide what
we're going to do about it.
They looked at all the evidence
and decided Jesus of Nazareth
is the Messiah.
What are you going to decide?
That's ultimately what this
gospel is about.
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